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  Microsoft expects Adobe to file antitrust suit: WSJ
Time: 10:03 EST/15:03 GMT | News Source: Reuters | Posted By: Robert Stein

Microsoft Corp. said it expected Adobe Systems Inc. to file an antitrust suit in Europe after talks to use Adobe's technology broke down this week, according to the Wall Street Journal. The two companies have been in discussions over the use of Adobe's Portable Document Format, or PDF, within Microsoft's Office suite of applications, the Journal reported, quoting Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith. Adobe wants Microsoft to remove the feature and offer Adobe's technology separately for a fee. Microsoft has agreed to remove the feature, but is unwilling to charge for it, the Journal reported.

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#1 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 6/2/2006 11:20:50 AM
Hmmm, I guess this doesn't apply if it's Microsoft?

http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/adobe-ipr-draft-zilles-pdf.txt

Accordingly, Adobe gives anyone copyright permission,
subject to the conditions stated below, to:

* Prepare files whose content conforms to the Portable Document
Format

* Write drivers and applications that produce output represented in
the Portable Document Format

#2 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 6/2/2006 11:25:03 AM
Latch: PDF is OPEN OPEN OPEN!!!!

Me: Nope.

#3 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/2/2006 11:47:07 AM
#1,2: Heh. I notice that it's Microsoft making these statements. Nowhere do I see Adobe saying any of this. Looks like typical MS FUD to me. As bluvg said, Adobe's terms let anyone use PDF. And by sheer coincidence, MS is working on its supposed PDF killer, Metro. I can smell an MS proactive strike here. "We've had such trouble with Adobe and PDF that we have no choice but to drop any PDF support in our products and replace it with Metro." Adobe will no doubt refute all of this nonsense by this afternoon. I mean, you can download open source & freeware tools for free that create PDFs. Why would Adobe think it had a leg to stand on with regard to making MS charge for PDF support??? Some people will believe anything.

Speaking of open source, looks like MS needs some OSS goodness to help it secure Windows. But I thought only Communists used open source. Parkkker, can you clarify for us?

In other news, MS has yet to patch the last 'own your box' hole in Windows, and there's now a new one this week. Meanwhile, Mozilla just patched Firefox and Thunderbird to 1.5.0.4.

#4 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 6/2/2006 11:50:20 AM
#1,2: Actually, there is one scenario where I could see Adobe suing MS about the PDF format. If MS tried their old Embrace & Extend trick on PDF, Adobe would legally hammer them into dust.

#5 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 6/2/2006 1:07:54 PM
#3 Another 30 days another 13 security holes in Firefox. 2.2 days per security hole. Not good.

#3 and #4 PDF is open dammit!!!!! (Not really. That was always a lie)

ODF is open dammit!!!! (Not really. That was always a lie)

#6 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 6/2/2006 1:10:46 PM
I love this one:

"Since Adobe claims PDF is sort of open ... "

http://today.reuters.com/business/newsarticle.aspx?type=ousiv&storyID=2006-06-02T085422Z_01_WEN8831_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-MICROSOFT-ADOBE-DC.XML

#7 By 32132 (142.32.208.232) at 6/2/2006 3:04:13 PM
#3 " As bluvg said, Adobe's terms let anyone use PDF"

That document mentions the 3rd edition. PDF is at the 5th edition now.

#8 By 3653 (68.52.143.149) at 6/2/2006 9:03:19 PM
latch - "Adobe will no doubt refute all of this nonsense by this afternoon."

I suppose this might still be true, for those of us living in Hawaii. Everywhere else... the weekend has started.

#9 By 3653 (68.52.143.149) at 6/6/2006 12:51:57 AM
latch, is it still Friday afternoon where you are? Its TUESDAY MORNING here.

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