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ActiveWin.com: Microsoft Longhorn Server Build 5270 (December CTP) Screenshots | |
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| Time: 00:01 EST/05:01 GMT | News Source: ActiveWin.com | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
We have posted thirty screenshots of the new Microsoft Longhorn Server Build 5270 that was released yesterday for the December CTP. There are shots of: Admin Tools, Desktop, Start Menu, Windows Update, Network Policy, Network Explorer, Server Configuration, Print Manager, Control Panel, Internet Explorer, New Icons, NAP, and much much more. This Longhorn Server Build 5270 is quite different than all of the fanciness in Vista 5270, so it is definitely worth a look. Build 5270.winmain.idx03.051214-1910 Microsoft Windows Server "Codename Longhorn." | ||
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| #1 By 1401 (69.27.196.125) at 12/22/2005 10:24:39 AM |
| Can somebody please tell me why I need a tabbed browser on my server? And why do I need super extra large desktop icons on my server? Is this a client OS or a server OS? It's like the Windows XP team has part time jobs as server developers. IE is a big enough vector for malicious attacks on the system as it is, the tabbed 'feature' will surely open more. The way I see it, a server OS is supposed to serve, not browse the web, and read email. I want my server to be optimized for it's function, be it to serve clients with email, files, print jobs, act as a proxy, client backup storage, whatever. The only thing I need a browser for is to update, but Windows can do that with Automatic Updates anyways. |
| #2 By 61 (71.251.77.233) at 12/22/2005 10:44:00 AM |
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How exactly is tabbed browsing going to add more security holes?
Also, the reason it has it is because it has the newer IE7, which has TONS of security enhancements. Regardless of what you want, Windows has IE in it, and it is needed as part of the shell. Why have IE6 when you can have IE7, with tons and tons of updates? But I guess only a troll would point out such idiotic things as you have. |
| #3 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/22/2005 12:00:55 PM |
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CPU, I think you are missing his point. A server doesn't NEED tabs. WHY not just remove the tab code? Why not remove ANYTHING that is not needed on a server? Note they are running in classic mode on the theme? Why? Cuz they don't need the XP/Vista/Aero UI. REMOVE THE FLUFF.
Why all the access bloat? It's just more crap that will cause problems. A Server should serve. It doesn't need WordPad, MovieMaker, Chess, TABS, Themes. It needs to be SECURE and it needs to SERVE. I am with Chris on this one. MS needs to focus a little better. This post was edited by AWBrian on Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:08. |
| #4 By 1401 (69.27.196.125) at 12/22/2005 12:07:40 PM |
| Good point CPUGuy. We should all just deal with it, 'regardless of what we want'. I just don't see how adding tabs is an 'enhancement' - you shouldn't be browsing the web on the damn server anyways. That's what we have client machines for. IE is a securtiy hole, I think that is quite apparent to everyone. Why do you think they added the IE Hard feature in server 2003? That feature is nothing more than a pop up dialog that asks you to add the domain into the safe list in order to view the page. Everything else is blocked. But you can very easily turn that off in the Add/Remove Programs in the Control Panel. They added that to DETER people from browsing on the server. I'd rather see them strip IE off all features except those related to security. I don't need the Windows Messenger icon, or the research icon or the Tip of the Day explorer bar on my server toolbar. Nor do I need a link to read my email on the server either. |
| #5 By 415 (69.67.200.50) at 12/22/2005 12:08:19 PM |
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Not every company has a data center, a huge IT staff, and extra PCs to spare, so it's actually important that the server OS has the same capabilities as the client. I've gone to branch offices were the only computer available to work from was the server that I was there to maintain. It was very important to have Internet Explorer and Outlook Express available on that server so I could actually do my job. And that's just one example...
BTW - I just lucked out and got an Xbox 360 today from Target and I'm totally stoked! This post was edited by IronCladLou on Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:14. |
| #6 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/22/2005 12:10:24 PM |
| Well then Iron...I don't think that company needs a server, or they need to invest in a server that is meant for SERVING. They are using the server improperly. |
| #7 By 415 (69.67.200.50) at 12/22/2005 12:21:03 PM |
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Dude, they WERE using it as a server only. It was a file and print server, and backed up user files to tape, which is a very common scenario for small and medium business. However, you missed my point though.
There were 5 PCs in that office, and during the day all of those PCs were being used. So as result <Edit>, if I was working there for the day</edit>, I had to work from the server's console. I had no choice. We didn't have the luxory of extra PCs, or laptops to tote around with us. That's just the way it was. This post was edited by IronCladLou on Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:24. |
| #8 By 1401 (69.27.196.125) at 12/22/2005 12:22:00 PM |
| I agree with you Iron - and lots of small companies use XP Professional as their 'server'. But Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition? Maybe that's where Small Business Server would make more sense. And I'd agree, maybe having the ability to turn on the browser features and enable email on the server would make sense in those scenarios. But I don't see the need for it in a dedicated server scenario, where maybe the server is running Exchange, or SQL or ISA or whatever... |
| #9 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/22/2005 12:23:20 PM |
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"We didn't have the luxory of extra PCs, or laptops to tote around with us. That's just the way it was. "
Like I said...using the server WRONG. |
| #10 By 415 (69.67.200.50) at 12/22/2005 12:25:38 PM |
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LOL ... Whatever Brian, you apparently woke up on the wrong side of the bed today...
BTW - That server I mentioned above was running Windows NT 4 Server. I do appreciate that you guys put together these screenshots when you receive new releases. It's helpful to those of us who are not in the beta. This post was edited by IronCladLou on Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:46. |
| #11 By 61 (71.251.77.233) at 12/22/2005 12:41:23 PM |
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Brian, what about Terminal Server clients?
Is this using the Server wrong? It also really does help to be able to go to a manufacturer's website to download a driver (like say an unsupported network driver). |
| #12 By 3746 (216.16.225.210) at 12/22/2005 12:54:55 PM |
| AWBrian - Most of my clients are considered small to medium size. What Ironcladlou is describing is extremely common. They are not going to have an extra PC sitting on the network for the 10 hours i come in a month when I am doing IT work. Normally, I have my laptop with me but it is necessary to have a browser on the server sometimes. By default 2003 server's IE is completely locked down. I don't think adding tabs is going to make any difference when it comes to security. It would be the same as having 5 instances of IE open which you can do now. Sure there are lots of things that shouldn't be done in a perfect world but the world is far from perfect. |
| #13 By 415 (69.67.200.50) at 12/22/2005 1:02:41 PM |
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CPU - You beat me to the Terminal Services example.
The whole point of terminal services is to serve up a desktop and the installed apps on that server to clients. I do agree that Microsoft needs to make more of the accessory-type software optional during the server install. I just think that deciding what should be optional or not isn't quite as easy as it sounds. |
| #14 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/22/2005 1:41:55 PM |
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Are you guys experienced in SPIN?! When I did I EVER say IE shouldn't be on a server? Or that a browser shouldn't be on a server. Please post back when you can figure that one out.
I said Tabs, MovieMaker, Chess, WordPad, Fluff, Bloat. When you can show me where I said that a server should haven't a browser, I will be sure to stand corrected. |
| #15 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/22/2005 1:48:38 PM |
| No Iron, not on the wrong side of the bed. Just stating the obvious. MS Servers are bloated with unnecessary code and software. |
| #16 By 32132 (142.32.208.231) at 12/22/2005 2:00:37 PM |
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I have to agree with Brian. Tabs are the work of the devil.
Yup. I remember the good old days of Novell when a file server couldn't run ANY software that would run on a client PC. Thats why Novell still dominates the server space today ... right? |
| #17 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 12/22/2005 2:47:09 PM |
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I said Tabs, MovieMaker, Chess, WordPad, Fluff, Bloat. When you can show me where I said that a server should haven't a browser, I will be sure to stand corrected.
I fail to see how IE without tabs vs. IE with tabs on a server could produce such debate. You really are making mountains out of molehills. The terminal server example is a good one, and tabs are as useful there as they are on the desktop (along with WordPad, incidentally, which is an excellent program to use when fixing corrupted Word documents). In fact, it might even be a good idea for a terminal server, because each time you click to open IE, it opens another IEXPLORE.EXE process. Besides, if you don't want tabs, just turn them off. I don't think you're doing your server some huge favor by doing so, though. |
| #18 By 61 (71.251.77.233) at 12/22/2005 2:57:44 PM |
| It doesn't have MovieMaker, CHess, etc... Though WordPad, I think, is needed on a server (especially when considering the Terminal Server role). |
| #19 By 1401 (65.255.137.20) at 12/22/2005 3:34:19 PM |
| Terminal Services can be run in two modes, Remote Administration or Application Server mode. So basically, you use it make changes to the server (administration) or you use it to run an application where the processing is done on the server (application mode). If you're sitting down at a workstation, why would you terminal into a server to browse the web? Why not just do that from the workstation? |
| #20 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 12/22/2005 4:55:00 PM |
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#19: or you use it to run an application where the processing is done on the server (application mode)
I think there may be a misunderstanding of what the "Application Server" mode is--it is not much different than "Remote Administration" mode in that you can use it to give access to full Windows desktop capabilities. You could, for instance, set up a bunch of thin clients that log into the terminal server, or have employees connecting in from home via Remote Desktop. In either case, they need browser access, whether it's the only browser they have available, or they need to browse the company intranet, or whatever. |
| #21 By 931 (66.180.122.251) at 12/22/2005 6:53:27 PM |
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When I reviewed these picks one thing came to mind. "How gay can they get"
I could give 2 chits about the tabbed browser.. It's the whole seasemee street OS look and feel crap that has be so dam mad. It's why I've never used XP, nor plan too.. At least in win3k they were smart enough to tone it down to an level I could deal with, but even that taking an annoying amount of time. This isjust looks down right childish. |
| #22 By 1401 (65.255.137.20) at 12/22/2005 8:28:41 PM |
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Ever heard of the Windows Classic theme in XP KnightHawk?
And in case your wondering, AWBrian can get very, very gay... |
| #23 By 2459 (24.175.137.193) at 12/23/2005 1:22:02 AM |
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A few things:
You can get the Luna UI on Server 2003 and Aero on Vista Server. They didn't remove the "fluff". They just disabled the services. Servers have many differing roles and levels of importance depending on the environment, user, and necessity. As a complement to the small business arguments, the availability of client apps on the server can also be convienient for developers or for troubleshooting (being able to check a WMV stream from the server w/o needing to do it from a client machine for example). For those wanting a stripped down server, there will be Windows Vista Server Core. The only UI running when you boot into it will be the commandline, and all configuration will be done via local or remote commandline scripting or remote MMC UI. |
| #24 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 12/23/2005 9:23:05 AM |
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Forget all of this nonsense, please.
Use the admin pak from a workstation and its snap ins, or build your own and use them to admin your networks and servers. In fact, Vista Server should have no UI at all - and will be managed via a WS using a new shell and a bevy of new snap ins. Beyond that, if anyone, unless absolutely necessary, is logging in at the console of a server of any type, they need to move on - at least from my company. This, if done properly, was a non-issue before this thread began. |
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