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Red Flag Linux beats out Windows in Beijing | |
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| Time: 07:47 EST/12:47 GMT | News Source: The Register | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Research outfit Gartner has noted an ominous development for Microsoft and other non-indigenous firms operating in China. On 28th December 2001 the Beijing municipal government awarded contracts to six local software vendors, and rejected the seventh bidder - Microsoft. The contract covers office automation, antivirus and operating software, one of the winners being Linux OS vendor Red Flag. | ||
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| #1 By 2960 (24.168.205.214) at 1/4/2002 10:29:32 AM |
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What makes this worse is apparantly you can have Windows for $1.99 in China!
Yet they still choose Linux. Ouch! Now THAT's an insult! TL |
| #2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 1/4/2002 11:54:45 AM |
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Microsoft is the embodiment of all capitalist evil in the world. Is it not surprising that China would not like them?
Interesting thing is that this isn't a victory for Linux either, because China does not respect copyright laws they will also not abide by the GPL. Source to changes won't be released, they will just continue to leach from the world. |
| #3 By 3339 (206.216.3.134) at 1/4/2002 2:18:17 PM |
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Witchhunters, China is in the process of joining the WTO which means that have to conform to alot of international law they previously ignored -- including intellectual property laws. This means Windows went from $2 to $300, hence "buying" free Linux.
China is the major threat as they have no established history and culture for the world they are entering into, they have to adjust hardcore. China loves our business and we love their's. Rather than being a threat, they will be our strongest trade partner, adn the threat will come from the Euro, used by 300+ million people, 14 (2 outside the EU), and accepted or tracked in many more former European colonies. The almighty dollar might not be so almighty for long. |
| #4 By 116 (129.116.86.41) at 1/4/2002 3:41:34 PM |
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But how can this work. Microsoft is an illegal monpoly and there are no other alternatives...
Is the sky falling or something? |
| #5 By 3339 (206.216.3.134) at 1/4/2002 5:41:42 PM |
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Red, haven't heard your dumb ass remarks in a while.
#10, membership in the WTO will be enforceable because the entire point is to receive the beenfits of trade agreements and to secure foreign loans, investments, funds directly from IMF... Of course, to reap these economic benefits, China has to uphold the international standards for capitalism and free trade -- hence, bye-bye, rampant piracy... Sure, they won't eliminate it outright, right away, but they will show progress or feel the consequences. (Certainly, you won't have major corporations working from one install disk anymore.) As for some of the silliness about Communism and Capitalism, China doesn't get those distinctions. China loves capitalism and free markets-- their economy is freer than some European countries. No, the choice of OS in CHina has nothing to do with ideology. |
| #6 By 1845 (207.173.73.201) at 1/4/2002 5:45:28 PM |
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Where are you from sodajerk?
As for software piracy and the WTO, the US has been a member since 1 Jan 1995 yet millions of dollars of software are pirated yearly. WTO membership doesn't mean there is no software piracy. If I can read correctly the article said they accepted six local vendors. Perhaps they believe in furthering their own economy before helping someone else's. Perhaps we are all wrong and have no idea what the Chinese government is thinking. As for the dollar vs the euro, I doubt the almighty dollar is going anywhere any time soon. If the United States economy collapsed, it would take the world with it. Just look at the reprecussions after the Sep 11 and its economic aftermath. I'm not saying the dollar is the number one currency out there, just saying that at present and at the very least in the near future the world can't live without it. |
| #7 By 1845 (207.173.73.201) at 1/4/2002 5:51:22 PM |
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From the Terms Of Use: "...Don't clearly offend users by posting comments and/or messages with sexist, racist, religious, or otherwise obvious defamatory remarks. Also do not use explicit and profane language in our feedback areas...But, we will remove anything that we receive a valid complaint about, or other material that obviously doesn't belong in our community because it offends other viewers....If you must use profane language, use asterisks. :-)
Sodajerk, a little closer attention to the terms of use would be appreciated. Name calling is just not needed. Neither is your harsh language. |
| #8 By 2332 (165.247.2.233) at 1/4/2002 6:17:40 PM |
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China's membership in the WTO will come with or without them changing their horrible human rights, environmental, or intellectual property policies.
Why? One word: MONEY. Membership in the WTO comes with basically one big benefit, free trade. It prohibits taxes and terifs on all trade between WTO countries. Membership is awarded often regardless of what the country chooses to do with the cash, or what they choose to do with their people. Being a civil libertarian, I have a natural desire to see free trade benefit all involved... a kind of bais if you will. But if you look at history, only trade between relatively equal countries (before the trading begins) yields mutual benefit. More often, one country is exploited by the other. |
| #9 By 3339 (206.216.3.134) at 1/4/2002 6:26:50 PM |
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Bob, I don't care about you or this site's terms... period.
My post was making the point that these typical assinine Winbot/LinuxHater comments now redirected with anti-Communist hate/fear is ridiculous. China loves capitalism and isn't against big capitalist companies for idealogical reason -- that's moronic; as for the euro, I wasn't suggesting that the U.S. Dollar is or would collapse, I was saying that if any entity poses any competition or threat to the US it is the EU, not China. Take it easy. As for piracy, if you think U.S. warez are the same as Asian Corporate and Consumer Piracy, you are silly. I'm talking about piracy at the corporate, even computer dealer level... This CHina has to and will crack down. And yes, China's loans and future in the WTO is very much based on their ability to be a good citizen. I'm not talking about overnight change or even long term success, but do you think MS is going to hire 50,000 Chinese if at the same time the Chinese government "advocates" piracy? |
| #10 By 2332 (165.247.2.233) at 1/4/2002 6:28:33 PM |
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#13 - "China loves capitalism and free markets-- their economy is freer than some European countries."
This is only partially true. I guess it depends on what you believe Communism constitutes. The Communist party in China has ruled for more than 50 years, and their economy is still very state-ruled. While it is true that about 30% of all enterprise in China is state run, 70% of all capital is raised and controlled by the government. I would certainly agree, however, that the communist party in China is the weakest it has ever been, and the trends in China are moving quickly toward a much more free market. I can't think of any European country, however, that has a less-free market than China. What country were you thinking of? At any rate, China is a horrible, horrible place. Any form of totalitarian rule is simply wrong. Without a free press and free speech, imho, no country should be given any kind of preferential status. |
| #11 By 2 (12.226.204.72) at 1/4/2002 9:51:43 PM |
| Sodajerk you are one step away from being banned.... |
| #12 By 1845 (12.254.240.94) at 1/5/2002 2:24:40 PM |
| I'll second that #22. |
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