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Microsoft: Bug Fixes, Security Support To Be Top Priority in IE 7 | |
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| Time: 10:39 EST/15:39 GMT | News Source: InformationWeek | Posted By: Chris Hedlund | ||
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Microsoft plans to add support for cascading style sheets in the upcoming Internet Explorer 7, but other standards will take a back seat to critical bug fixes. Microsoft Corp. plans to add support for cascading style sheets in the upcoming Internet Explorer 7, but other standards will take a back seat to fixing the worst bugs reported by web developers. In Microsoft's IEBlog, development team leader Chris Wilson said the company's intent is to build "a platform that fully complies with the appropriate web standards, in particular CSS 2." Nevertheless, bug fixes, and security, were the top priorities in IE 7, which is currently in beta 1 and in limited release. Beta 2, which is set for release this year, is expected to be generally available. | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/3/2005 11:05:43 AM |
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Hmmm. "Appropriate web standards". What the hell does that mean? The ones that MS agrees with? If you pass that blog through the MS BS Filter(tm), it comes out like this:
"We've ignored standards & done our own thing to ensure browser lock-in for so long now that, if we started supporting true web standards, we'd break the majority of IE-specific commerce sites out there." |
| #2 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 8/3/2005 12:02:37 PM |
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It even makes me more furious when people forget that web standards are not REQUIREMENTS, nor are they standards that have been established or implemented in any sort of internet LAW. They are just recommendations. MS makes a browser (and has been doing so for many years), and don't have to agree with such recommendations.
I also agree that if MS switched their browser to 100% standards recommendations, over half the web would be broke. |
| #3 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 8/3/2005 12:40:45 PM |
| I feel like a comedian today :0) |
| #4 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 8/3/2005 12:52:49 PM |
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And fanboys are a dime a dozen, and get old quite fast.
W3C "standards" might be a good idea, but many of the "standards" are also outdated. Not to mention AGAIN, they are not "standards" per se, but "recommendations". Microsoft has a product that they OWN, and they feel that the standard on which THEY build it on is what is best for THEIR consumer. While they do find some of the "recommendations" from W3C to be acceptable practice, by no means does it mean bar none. Microsoft has made the choice to design THEIR web browser the way THEY choose. And the consumer has the choice to use that browser or not. With more and more sites each day being developed around IE, I find it near impossible to make such a drastic change so fast. I can imagine that the change in IE to W3C "recommendations" would be a 15 year process to fix the billions of websites already form fitted to IE. I am for having "standards" that one can recommend, but by no means do I think every browser should have to adhere to them, especially not all. In fact, I feel that if a competing company would like to implement their own choice of "standards", they should be free to do so, and develop accordingly. |
| #5 By 11888 (64.230.33.5) at 8/3/2005 1:45:56 PM |
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I guess this article wasn't posted because Paul Thurrott is considered a "fanboy" and he got old quite fast.
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/47208/47208.html?Ad=1 He's advocating a boycott of IE 7. When the Windows guys are getting sick of the nonsense you know that things are about to change. |
| #6 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 8/3/2005 1:51:54 PM |
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I have to say, I actually agree with Paul on this one. Not necessarily the boycott, but the overall situation.
TL "My advice is simple: Boycott IE. It's a cancer on the Web that must be stopped. IE isn't secure and isn't standards-compliant, which makes it unworkable both for end users and Web content creators. Because of their user bases, however, Web developers are hamstrung into developing for IE at the expense of established standards that work well in all other browsers. You can turn the tide by demanding more from Microsoft and by using a better alternative Web browser. I recommend and use Mozilla Firefox, but Apple Safari (Macintosh only) and Opera 8 are both worth considering as well." |
| #7 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 8/3/2005 1:59:49 PM |
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I gave up hope on Paul long ago. He ate crow with Vista release having dogged MS on the WinHEC builds of Longhorn. He now says he has been mistaken in his judgement about Microsoft's direction now that Vista has shown some light. Same goes for IE7 beta 1. It to is an early beta build with new features/bug fixes/standards to be addressed in beta 2.
Paul gets in this position because he tends to jump the gun to early in order to not look like a fanboy and to get the journalism out there FIRST. |
| #8 By 13030 (198.22.121.120) at 8/3/2005 2:08:41 PM |
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#3: It even makes me more furious when people forget that web standards are not REQUIREMENTS, nor are they standards that have been established or implemented in any sort of internet LAW. They are just recommendations. MS makes a browser (and has been doing so for many years), and don't have to agree with such recommendations.
Good manners, being courteous, and bathing daily are also not a requirements for getting through life, but that doesn't mean they should be disregarded. Sometimes, as civilized people, we just accept standards of behavior to make living with each other more enjoyable. |
| #9 By 3746 (24.213.83.184) at 8/3/2005 2:36:57 PM |
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Yes and sometimes standards or laws are put in place and then completely disregarded and new standards are created by the majority. I live in Canada and on highway 401 the speed limit is 100kmph. Now if you follow the law exactly to the letter you will have old ladies in minivans blowing your doors off. Basically 120 is used as a speed limit by the majority of people. Now the standard set is being disregarded by the majority so in the end you have a realistic new limit of 120 that if you push too far pass you will eventually get yanked. Anything up to that and generally a cop won't even touch you. In the case of IE and web standards these are not even laws. The way i look at it majority rules - the majority of people use IE and the majority of sites conform to this. It doesn't matter if it is right or wrong - it is just the way it is. If most people were truely pissed about this then it would change (they wouldn't use IE, or force microsoft to make the change) but most people could care less about what goes on in the background as long as it works. The people who implement get the short end of the stick as usual but that is always the way it is. This post was edited by kaikara on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 at 14:38. |
| #10 By 61 (65.32.175.192) at 8/3/2005 4:25:26 PM |
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IE7 developers are saying it will fully support CSS1 (beta 1 already fully supports it), CSS2, and PNG.
They are also saying that it will NOT pass the Acid2 test. The reason for this is the Acid2 test isn't a test for complying with standards (it says so on the website), but rather a wishlist for developers. The IE7 guys say that if the other stuff that Acid2 tests will be on the back burner, as they are focusing more on complying with today's standards, making it easier on developers as far as having to test in 2 different browsers, and fixing the security problems/other bugs. |
| #11 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 8/3/2005 4:57:31 PM |
| Again CPU, you are confusing the anti-ms apologists with facts. Stop it, please. They won't have anything to argue about. |
| #12 By 61 (65.32.175.192) at 8/3/2005 5:36:25 PM |
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List of IE7 bug fixes:
Peekaboo bug Guillotine bug Duplicate Character bug Border Chaos No Scroll bug 3 Pixel Text Jog Magic Creeping Text bug Bottom Margin bug on Hover Losing the ability to highlight text under the top border IE/Win Line-height bug Double Float Margin Bug Quirky Percentages in IE Duplicate indent Moving viewport scrollbar outside HTML borders 1 px border style Disappearing List-background Fix width:auto Added for Ie7: HTML 4.01 ABBR tag Improved (though not yet perfect) <object> fallback CSS 2.1 Selector support (child, adjacent, attribute, first-child etc.) CSS 2.1 Fixed positioning Alpha channel in PNG images Fix :hover on all elements Background-attachment: fixed on all elements not just body This is just beta 1, too. |
| #13 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 8/4/2005 9:31:36 AM |
| #14: You're Parkkkkkkker reincarnated, aren't you? |
| #14 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 8/4/2005 9:41:17 AM |
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"#16 By Latch (267 Posts) at 8/4/2005 9:31:36 AM
#14: You're Parkkkkkkker reincarnated, aren't you? " Now THAT's original. |
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