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Ballmer: Longhorn biggest release since Win95 | |
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| Time: 10:35 EST/15:35 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft is expecting a lot from Longhorn, the next version of Windows set to debut sometime next year. But CEO Steve Ballmer doesn't see the launch generating the consumer frenzy of Windows 95's release. In an interview with CNET News.com, Ballmer recalled the fervor surrounding Win95's debut: | ||
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| #1 By 28388 (62.127.101.196) at 6/7/2005 12:12:34 PM |
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Kinda odd that. Everyone else I've heard comment on it are saying basically:
They removed all the big changes and the few remaining once can be had in windows 2000 and xp through free software and are already available both for Mac and Linux. Ballmer says it's big, I'm so ex *yawn* it *yawn* ed. |
| #2 By 61 (65.32.175.192) at 6/7/2005 4:08:36 PM |
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There has been ONE, read it ONE, pillar of Longhorn that was removed from the release, that will be available in beta form when Longhorn is released.
Other than that, NGSCB has been scaled back a bit, which is what everyone wanted (even though they had no clue what NGSCB was), and now that it has happened, they are saying things like "yet another reason not to get Longhorn. Linux has NONE of the major features in Longhorn... yet. MacOS has some, but aren't as advanced as the ones that will be available in Longhorn... yet. The thing is, this is a VERY big release. There is a new API, major changes to the FS, new UI for finding what you need, new UI in general (which we have yet to see, who knows if it will be as big a change as the Explorer shell was in Win95 from 3.11), a lot of stuff is going to be managed code, new driver model, new presentation layer, the list gets lagrger and larger. To say that Longhorn is not a major update is pure FUD. |
| #3 By 28388 (83.226.247.164) at 6/7/2005 9:51:48 PM |
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"The thing is, this is a VERY big release. There is a new API, major changes to the FS, new UI for finding what you need, new UI in general (which we have yet to see, who knows if it will be as big a change as the Explorer shell was in Win95 from 3.11), a lot of stuff is going to be managed code, new driver model, new presentation layer, the list gets lagrger and larger. "
So: 1. plenty of changes in code plumming that one out of a thousand users know what they mean, and one in ten thousand users care about. 2. UI and look changes no-one has seen. I predict cosmetic changes along with more of the absurd "you are no entering the UI for small children Zone. Please be aware that all 'powerful' options will be willfully hidden from you and that we will rearrange how you find everything for no reason what so ever except that we can now show of our big shiny green buttons" style of interface introduced in XP. Who except complete newbies doesn't turn that crap off so they can get some work done? 3. A search function! You mean like beagle and it's many relatives? Seems to me I heard rumors you could get this already. Yes, I can see it now, It will be glorious. I'm gonna switch immediately so that I can get the incredible new....wait, there were little if any benefits for the user in there. Why did you say the average user would be willing to pay for the upgrade? The bottom line is that Microsoft are now playing catchup. Both Mac and linux are ahead in terms of providing a stable operating system and powerful desktop environment. No amount of PR or FUD can change this. Unfortunately PR and FUD can, and does, make people believe that windows is ahead in this area. Those that do are sorely mistaken. |
| #4 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 6/7/2005 10:43:53 PM |
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#4 "MacOS has some, but aren't as advanced as the ones that will be available in Longhorn... yet"
That is my favourite comment from all the Microsoft zealots! OS X (which is available right now) has some of the features that some future Microsoft OS might have in it if they don't cut them out to try and meet a release date. If you're going to live in la la land at least compare apples to apples - compare the future OS X release to the future Longhorn release - and if you're struggling in being able to see the future how about you come back to reality and compare what's available right now rather than looking into your crystal ball. |
| #5 By 61 (65.32.175.192) at 6/8/2005 3:49:11 AM |
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chris: well, being that I said "yet", kinda makes you look like an ass, eh?
junkhead: the code plumming is THE MOST important part, not only does it improve the OS in general, but app developers will have their benefits as well. It's not just a search function, it's about being able to find the data the way you (as an individual) can most easily find it. |
| #6 By 28388 (83.226.247.164) at 6/8/2005 4:14:30 AM |
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"the code plumming is THE MOST important part, not only does it improve the OS in general, but app developers will have their benefits as well. "
For developers this is true enough. Well thought out APIs and stable underlying code is a top priority. Maybe longhorn will actually bring these things, which POSIX developers have enjoyed for years and years, to windows developers. .Net certainly shocked me, MS went and created a pretty good development platform. After having been exposed to the absurdly inept environments of MFC and other MS code, .Net truly was a breath of fresh air. But how does this make longhorn BIG? I still just see MS playing catchup. I still haven't heard about anything that the average linux or Mac user wont simply respond to by saying, "I already have that". |
| #7 By 61 (65.32.175.192) at 6/8/2005 8:26:31 PM |
| NT has been able to run POSIX apps for years. |
| #8 By 28388 (83.226.247.164) at 6/8/2005 10:54:20 PM |
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"NT has been able to run POSIX apps for years."
If you drive a car fast across a bump in the road it will leave the ground, for a fraction of a second. If you really really believe in the power of PR you could conceivably claim that this means cars can fly. Back from la la land, NT has a poor excuse for an implementation of subset of the POSIX standard. Sort of like a plane with no wings or engines. You can call it a plane all you like, but it's not going to fly except in your dreams. |
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