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| Time: 08:26 EST/13:26 GMT | News Source: Reuters | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft, the world's leading software maker, is preparing to launch a new web applications platform called Visual Studio.NET early next year, Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates said on Wednesday. ``The product is in its final stages and will be officially released within the next 30 days,'' Gates said at a Microsoft forum for software developers held in Prague. The company's Web site says the product will be launched February 13 in San Francisco. Microsoft is hoping its new platform, open for other software firms, will bring businesses huge time and cost savings. Gates said the long-awaited tablet PC, aimed mainly at business clients, would enter the market in the second half of next year. Microsoft is developing it with Acer, Compaq and Toshiba and other firms. The tablet-style computer will let users jot notes and diagrams as if drawing on paper. | ||
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| #1 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 12/5/2001 8:54:17 AM |
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.NET might interest me a whole lot more just as soon as Microsoft announces bug-free versions of .PRIVACY and .YOURBROADBANDWON'TGODOWNANDTAKEYOURCOMPANYOFFLINE
Further developments in the .THIRDPARTIESCANALSOPLAYANDKEEPMICROSOFTHONEST project would also help. .NET ? .NOTYET .TL |
| #2 By 1845 (207.173.73.201) at 12/5/2001 10:38:02 AM |
| Thanks for the trolling "Tech" Larry, but intelligent comments would be more appreciated. |
| #3 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 12/5/2001 10:45:29 AM |
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There's nothing wrong with VB. In fact VB uses the same compiler as VC++. Has with VS-6, and will with VS.Net.
Interesting point someone made over on techrepublic. You can use all the string manipulation tools of VB.Net with C# because they're part of the Microsoft.* system libraries. :) |
| #4 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 12/5/2001 1:26:12 PM |
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BobSmith...
You need to purchase a sense of humor. I hear they are on sale at Best Buy this week... I think there might even be a rebate! TL |
| #5 By 1845 (207.173.73.201) at 12/5/2001 2:05:24 PM |
| TL, I have a sense of humor. But your bitterness isn't humor - it's bitterness. |
| #6 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 12/5/2001 2:17:38 PM |
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#8. I'm not a programmer. I'm a developer. Whee bit of difference there, because unlike yourself I'm not locked into a single tool. I hold a Computer Science degree and have been writing software since 1982. My language of specialty was C, but I hardly use that any more since I moved out of the Unix world.
#10/#13 - You've made several good points. I wouldn't bother wasn't too much time responding to 66.75.80.34 as it's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about. |
| #7 By 1845 (207.173.73.201) at 12/5/2001 3:45:46 PM |
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LanguageUsed = (bDevelopmentTimeImportant && !bPerformanceImportant) ? C++ : VB;
#18 If VB is a significantly impaired language compared to C++, then it would take a smarter person to produce a comparable product in the impaired language. Don't you think? |
| #8 By 1845 (207.173.73.201) at 12/5/2001 4:10:28 PM |
| lol, i'm tired. |
| #9 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 12/5/2001 4:17:58 PM |
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#18. I'm curious why do you think this is true? And if so, then what exactly do you find wrong with VB?
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| #10 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 12/5/2001 7:07:57 PM |
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Bizarre argument. I'd have to say that #24 and #25 seem to be somewhat insecure with their profession. I especially am intrigued about how they don't like HTML because any idiot thinks they can use it.
I'm actually surprised either of you would favor C#, as it's basically VB with a C syntax. Is it just the C syntax that makes you comfortable in admitting that maybe C++ is actually too hard to use? As for your right of passage bullcrap. I spent my early years doing 6502, 8080 and 68000 assembly. Have either of you? Honestly if you can master assembly there is no language in the world that you will feel uncomfortable with. Why? Because when it all comes down to it, all languages derive to assembler. Ohwell. There's really only one answer to any of these questions like "What language should I use?", "What OS should I use?", etc. You want that secret? It's pretty simple, really. The answer is... "It Depends." Knowing that is the difference between being l33t like yourselves, and actually knowing what you are talking about. I learned that lesson from a colleague of mine who works at Developmentor. |
| #11 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 12/5/2001 11:08:19 PM |
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#27. Quite simply, because with VB6 and again with VB.Net they both compile down to the intermediate language. Yes, only with the managed C++ code. But the point being, you can't claim that VB is inherently slower than C++ because they are very similar in performance.
You have yet to mention the inadequacies of the VB language. In fact I'm still waiting. So far the only comment I've seen is "I don't like it because any idiot can use it" type nonsense. Oh and on your last point. Duh. I was simply pointing out that one of the "perceived" shortcomings of C# versus VB is the lack of some of the nicer string manipulation functions. #28. How can you be a "developer" if you don't know the difference between a pre-compiler and a compiler? Again, it's interesting that you don't respond to any of my questions. If you want to talk about interesting issues, please follow up. I don't see the point of your VB bashing, especially given you can't back it up. Personally, myself, I can point out numerous flaws in the VB grammar that have been cleaned up in VB.Net, but I'm more intrigued to see if you know enough to identify them for yourself.(I suspect not because you've never used VB) It's also curious that both of you have tried to take a tactic of calling me(and others) an idiot for coming to the defense of VB. I say this because I've never been particularly a fan of VB, but I also understand how powerful it is for rapidly developing internal solutions to business problems. I do come from a C background, hole a degree in Computer Science, and have been programming since I was a kid in 1982(in assembler, as I mentioned). Do we need a CV so we can get over this nonsense that you are l33t and I'm not and that's why I realize the value of VB? |
| #12 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 12/6/2001 12:54:02 AM |
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Those aren't problems with the language if you don't need to do that type of programming. Obviously if I need to write a NT Service, I might use C++. But is this a limitation to writing a COM+ business logic component? Didn't think so.
Besides, VB supports constants, and COM inheritance. |
| #13 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 12/6/2001 10:26:45 AM |
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#34. Check out the IMPLEMENTS keyword.
#33. Well you didn't really defend against my comments, you instead supported them. Thanks. #36. I think you are correct. As the machines have become more powerful the overhead incumbent within a particular language becomes a smaller and smaller percentage of a performance hit. The performance increase you can gain in your development time far outweighs the hit you receive at runtime. |
| #14 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 12/6/2001 2:24:58 PM |
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BobSmith,
My god, man. It was SATIRE. Sheesh :) TL |
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