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Microsoft gunning for Adobe's PDF format? | |
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| Time: 11:36 EST/16:36 GMT | News Source: ZDNet | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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When Bill Gates showed off the new Metro document format in Longhorn at a hardware conference last week, some analysts were quick to call it a PDF killer. Indeed, there's plenty of overlap between Adobe's popular Portable Document Format and what Microsoft is planning to include in the next version of Windows. Metro is designed to do things PDF already does, namely to allow for the creation of files that can be printed, viewed or archived without needing the program that created them. | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 5/3/2005 1:08:27 PM |
| Innovation through duplication! Huzzah! I doubt very much that PDF, a format that is ubiquitous and embraced by all platforms, will be threatened by MS' Windows-only ripoff technology. |
| #2 By 3653 (63.162.177.143) at 5/3/2005 1:57:45 PM |
| and what are your credentials latch, which give you some insight into this beyond a simple hatred for the competition? |
| #3 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 5/3/2005 2:52:42 PM |
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#2: I am Lord God of All Computing. Why do you ask?
#3: MS' problem is pricing. Sure, it's free to read .DOCs. But creating them through the use of MS' Word product is not cheap at all... what's your point? Don't use Adobe products if you don't want to. In fact, there are several open source tools for creating PDFs that are free. But they must be communist, and full of buggy, 90's era Netscape code, right? #4: Acrobat insists on loading a ton of filters and plugins at startup. There are guides around for how to stop it from doing that. This post was edited by Latch on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 at 14:52. |
| #4 By 2459 (69.22.124.228) at 5/3/2005 3:07:26 PM |
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Though much is made about the "competition" with PDF (and rightfully so considering the possibilities), "Metro" is basically the equivalent of WMF/EMF for Avalon, though it allows for implementations that have no dependencies on Avalon. This post was edited by n4cer on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 at 15:08. |
| #5 By 8556 (12.217.161.186) at 5/3/2005 3:09:42 PM |
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There are multiple royalty free PDF document creation programs that do an excellent job. Try PDF995, for one, to see how well it does at converting any program file that can be printed to an error free PDF document.
PDF files are omnipresent on the web. This will not change quickly with the introduction of a new document format, except on Microsoft sites. Of course, we’ll need two different document readers unless a dual format reader is released. #4 What version are you using? With 512-MB of RAM on a 1.6-GHz+ (non-Celeron) PC on a broadband connection Adobe Reader 7.01 opens almost all web based documents in just a few seconds. That seems pretty fast to me. |
| #6 By 16451 (67.131.75.3) at 5/3/2005 3:39:40 PM |
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#8 "125$ for Office 2003 Student and Teacher Edition"
How nice for students and teachers. Now as for the rest of the world... |
| #7 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 5/3/2005 4:28:28 PM |
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#8: Like RH7.3 said, how nice if you're a teacher or student. However, most of us aren't those things, so we pay full freight for Word. As for proprietary standards, I prefer open standards obviously, as any sane person would. However, I can happily live with proprietary as long as they are not being controlled by an ethically-challenged company for nefarious purposes like platform lock-in.
Hahahahahahaha, "PDF may survive Metro". Priceless. |
| #8 By 23603 (206.47.145.177) at 5/3/2005 4:37:07 PM |
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#11 "I prefer open standards obviously, as any sane person would"
I am a sane person and don't support open standard.....what is your point. |
| #9 By 10802 (24.203.87.146) at 5/3/2005 6:07:00 PM |
| Adobe Acrobat 7 and Adobe Reader 7 both load significantly faster than previous versions. Also, Adobe Acrobat Elements is rather economical for simple PDF creation at less than $100 per client, although only available via volume licensing. |
| #10 By 11888 (65.94.120.213) at 5/3/2005 10:01:32 PM |
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#12,
I don't know why I feed Parkkkkkkkkkkkkkker's dementia but. . .you can buy Acrobat Standard Upgrade for $99 too. What the point here again? |
| #11 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 5/3/2005 11:39:50 PM |
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There is a saying...."it is what it is..."
Such is the way of it with .PDF. For us, so many professional services people use .PDF. As inflexible as it can be, there is no moving many firms and people off of it. So....we work with it - a lot! Here's a case - take 800,000 non-work product or privileged documents - collectively, discovery documents Huge nightmare, huge headache and platoons of people carting banker's boxes all over creation and no good way to index them, much less search inside them and forget doing it in any distributed way. Enter "Summation" and really add to the nightmare - firms hate it, but put up with it. Enter a different way of thinking... Take one Windows Sharepoint Services site, a couple of W2K3 boxes, add an iFilter and add it for .PDF - stir... Port DTSearch [one tenth the cost of Summation] to the web with a handful of GUID's... let simmer.... Write a few lines of code and pass search parameters from the WSS site and libraries over to DST and presto... Search inside any index in seconds with the ability to summarize titles and highlight even the most fuzzy search parameters inside the .PDF Now, firms have the ability to search among and gather any and all relevant discovery materials they need. *set the WSS to answer on SSL 443, only with a redirect and a custom error messsage for the folks that request over 80 and use a VPN connection mapped from the sites of document scanning companies directly into the shares created for DTS. Write a small script to execute a move to WSS and one has a very fast, very powerful and easy as pie to use solution. Wash, rinse and repeat... As I see it, no matter what I liked or didn't like personally, it does not matter a hoot - people we work with love PDF. I'd like to see anything that can bring some competition to it - so this is cool. |
| #12 By 3653 (68.54.224.219) at 5/4/2005 1:30:14 AM |
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its about time somebody competed with adobe in this space. They have been in the chicken coup eating all alone for too long. msft sees the profit margin that adobe is enjoying (adobe is FAT with profits). That glutony can only last so long before other profit-seekers come inside the hen house too.
metro cant arrive soon enough. in other news... xbox2 is gonna kick ass. |
| #13 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 5/4/2005 9:34:08 AM |
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#14: you don't like open standards? What are you doing on the Internet then? You should be running away, screaming, because all the open standards around you.
Honestly, you'll say the stupidest things to back your nonsense, won't you? |
| #14 By 23603 (206.47.145.177) at 5/4/2005 9:42:43 AM |
| Poor Latch..... |
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