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| Time: 06:07 EST/11:07 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Chris Hedlund | ||
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After years of relative quiet, both Microsoft and Apple are frenetically working on major new upgrades to the base software that run the personal computers of tens of millions of business and consumer users. Microsoft is using the code name Longhorn to refer to its next upgrade to the Windows operating system. Apple, keeping the theme of naming its operating system software after big and fast cats, calls its next release Tiger. We'll see Tiger in stores this year -- perhaps within a few weeks. Longhorn, as is typical of Microsoft, has been delayed a couple of times and is now not expected until mid-2006. Longhorn will be the first major Microsoft upgrade since Windows XP hit computer hard drives in 2001. That's light-years in the world of personal computers, and much has changed in that time: Wireless Bluetooth connections for printers and keyboards are now common, floppy drives have disappeared, Wi-Fi is now widespread and dozens of new security challenges and issues like spyware and Trojans have surfaced. | ||
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| #1 By 2960 (156.80.64.60) at 3/31/2005 8:30:28 AM |
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I really think so.
It is MUCH harder to screw up OSX than it is Windows. It protects itself much better from the 'user' than Windows does, especially in the area of software installs that might modify the system. I graduated my sister from Apple II's to the Mac about 10 years ago. The number of support stops I've had to make, from day 1, can be counted on one hand. Two of those were to install upgrades. TL |
| #2 By 16451 (65.19.16.137) at 3/31/2005 8:42:15 AM |
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>>> My problem is with the culture which surrounds Linux and Open Source
By "the culture", are you referring to handfull of zealots that apparently have nothing better to do than hang around this forum basing to all hours of the night, or the many thousands of programmers that devote significant amounts of their otherwise uncommitted time to coding and testing for the various distros and hundreds of applications as cataloged on sourceforge? |
| #3 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 3/31/2005 11:07:05 AM |
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#1: I criticize MS when they do something stupid/evil, which means I'm here almost daily. I don't personally care what OS anyone uses, nor do I care to convert anyone. I simply come here to give a dose of my brand of reality to the pro-MS types. Don't like it? Don't read it.
You know, instead of buying an expensive Mac to run a UNIX-like OS, you could fix your relatives up with a cheap PC running Mandrake or Linspire. |
| #4 By 3465 (214.3.116.1) at 3/31/2005 11:22:56 AM |
| Hahahaha, I love these stupid story titles. |
| #5 By 3653 (63.162.177.143) at 3/31/2005 12:01:39 PM |
| As I predicted, the tech rags are moving past Linux. They are getting a bit desperate to find the "Microsoft Killer" by using apple, but its slim pickings these days. |
| #6 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 3/31/2005 1:02:32 PM |
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Wireless Bluetooth connections for printers and keyboards are now common
With whom? I would hardly call Bluetooth printers and keyboards "common." In terms of keyboards in use, I'd bet less than 1% are Bluetooth. Windows XP has been greatly improved through patches and fixes and is now fairly stable NOW it's fairly stable??? No, it's been pretty stable since day 1. Sure, there have been a lot of patches, but stability hasn't been an issue. This post was edited by bluvg on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 13:03. |
| #7 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 3/31/2005 1:04:32 PM |
| It's funny to watch all the pots in here complaining about the kettle. A bunch of MS sycophants spewing vitriol about open source fans hatred of MS. And Parrkkeerr, you're too funny. If Firefox gave away a $1,000 bill with every download, you'd complain the money wasn't green enough or something. Now you're whining that Google results come up faster in Firefox. Why do you care, since the world as you see it will forget about Google and rely exclusively on MSN Search by next week? |
| #8 By 2960 (156.80.34.36) at 3/31/2005 1:20:20 PM |
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ENOUGH WITH THE KILL KHAN AD!
Do you have no consideration for people that may not have their damned speakers turned down? That is really rude guys. TL |
| #9 By 2960 (156.80.34.36) at 3/31/2005 1:24:37 PM |
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#13,
Worst-case scenario... A Mac User, running Linux, and using FireFox. Just joking, of course :) TL |
| #10 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 3/31/2005 1:51:10 PM |
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Worst-case scenario...
A Mac User, running Linux, and using FireFox. Oh, you mean Linus? ;) http://news.com.com/Torvalds+switches+to+Apple/2100-1003_3-5606030.html |
| #11 By 1896 (68.153.171.248) at 3/31/2005 1:58:10 PM |
| TechLarry, I could not agree more! I understand the need for ads and I don't complain about them but Kill Kahn is really annoying. |
| #12 By 1401 (69.40.52.152) at 3/31/2005 2:04:24 PM |
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TechLarry and Fritzly - maybe it is time to consider an alternate browser to IE. I would suggest checking out Slimbrowser from FlashPeak Software. I am a staffer here at AWin and I have never even seen the Kill Kahn ad you speak of...
http://www.flashpeak.com/sbrowser/ |
| #13 By 3339 (64.160.58.150) at 3/31/2005 2:14:55 PM |
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chris, maybe AW staffers SHOULD BE viewing the ads so they KNOW which ones SUCK!
...rather than blaming your users for not liking what you are delivering to us... I've closed my browser window twice this morning because of this same FCKing ad... and such ads and other issues make me come here less and less. (Not visiting activewin is MORE EFFECTIVE than not using the browser made by the company this site is dedicated to.) This post was edited by sodajerk on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 14:16. |
| #14 By 1401 (69.40.52.152) at 3/31/2005 2:31:51 PM |
| I'm not blaming anyone for anything - I'm just making a suggestion - In my opinion, all ads suck - not just the ones on activewin. Personally, I've done something about it. Believe me, I visit many sites daily, not just activewin, and guess what, they all have ads on them. Unless you plan on battling every single site you visit regarding the ads they display, you might consider doing something about them on your local machine. That's what I've done and it works great. |
| #15 By 3653 (63.162.177.143) at 3/31/2005 2:58:32 PM |
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Kill Khan is over the top. For God's sake, most of us view ActiveWin from WORK. I just had to race to my speaker volume knob.
Funniest thing is, even after I found out the source of the noise, I noticed the word Khan, but I have NO idea what the ad is for. And thats a good thing, because I would surely not buy it. ActiveWin, stop taking growth lessons from REAL. They killed themselves for similar reasons. |
| #16 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 3/31/2005 3:01:37 PM |
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#21: Oh yes, I'd forgotten about that problem. Just the other day, I went to Google to search for something, and after I got the results page back, the first link I clicked on tried to serve me up a 50 MB file. What an obvious downside for me to overlook.
And, of course, you've tried it and have verified that it actually behaves the way you claim it does, because otherwise you'd just be talking out of your ass, right? |
| #17 By 7711 (68.39.157.214) at 3/31/2005 3:03:16 PM |
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#22..."Believe me, I visit many sites daily, not just activewin, and guess what, they all have ads on them. "
True, but most don't have such obnoxious sound effects. Come on AW, kill this ad!!!!! |
| #18 By 3339 (64.160.58.150) at 3/31/2005 3:03:18 PM |
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chris, I accept that you aren't blaming anyone, but I am suggesting that you guys monitor the ads you are using.
Yes, I combat ads my own way, but I will also stop going to sites which have offensive ads. I'd imagine you must be aware that this is how some users will behave and that it should be YOUR concern. And that you CAN do something about it. |
| #19 By 61 (65.32.174.229) at 3/31/2005 3:44:54 PM |
| Please, no more of the stupid fighting guy ad, it's one thing if the ad just made a sound for a couple of seconds and stopped, but this one continues to make noise. |
| #20 By 3339 (64.160.58.150) at 3/31/2005 5:05:37 PM |
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Mr. Dee, you were already corrected on Neowin.net, why write the same nonsense here?
The Mac mini is $499. |
| #21 By 3339 (64.160.58.150) at 3/31/2005 5:40:04 PM |
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Yes, Parker, X+Y+Z does not cost X price; it costs X+Y+Z price, but we are only talking about X, adn X does cost X price, Parker. This post was edited by sodajerk on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 18:12. |
| #22 By 442 (68.174.186.55) at 3/31/2005 11:11:15 PM |
| The Mac Mini is designed for people who have an old PC and want to switch to the Mac very cheaply. They simply remove the PC box and stick the Mac Mini in its place. Everything else is already there. A first computer for "Aunt Jane" should not be a Mac Mini, an iMac for $1299 is a much better choice since it comes with everything and is ready to go out of the box. |
| #23 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 3/31/2005 11:19:17 PM |
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Curious.... why do so many assert that LinuxIsTheft is A.K.A., "Parkker?"
Their writing styles are not at all similar. |
| #24 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 4/1/2005 1:08:37 AM |
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OSX, er...Darwin, is about like any *nix - monolithic, without the GUI being run from the kernel.
While many times better than the old MAC OS'es, it still trails far behind Windows XP editions in one very key area - one Microsoft very seldom receives any credit for - which I reason speaks to just how well Microsoft has done in an essential area - that is, Windows was and is discoverable. Much of Microsoft's software and especially its operating systems and servers, are each very discoverable and deliver themselves within task based experiences. With about no training, or experience, a person may begin using a Windows PC and discover how to accomplish tasks. They have done this so well that many take it for granted. That they have done this in so many areas, and across so many experiences opposite so many unique configurations, is frankly, amazing. While in its native form, OS X is much less capable, it lacks this key element - despite being a very controlled and closed platform [e.g., far fewer unique configurations, software choices and certainly fewer hardware options]. All of the *nix share these limitations and lack consistently discoverable tasks. The marketing tag line, "what do you want to do.... suggests the beginning of the intended discovery process - followed by consistent process steps to discover how to do, x, y, or z..." When, and only "if" OS alternatives master this, will they see the success against Windows they all seek. I assert that "Aunt Jane" is not better served in any way by MAC - just because it is only capable of doing less, with less and is therefore less sophisticated, does not make it better. It does in fact, seem to intentionally restrict our beloved Aunt Jane and constrain her available choices. I read an interesting statement some years ago - loosely quoted, "As the *nix become more sophisticated...as sophisticated as Windows and as capable...we will have to guard against the inherent risks of such sophistication and complexity...namely security..." It is interesting to absorb the honesty in this statement and much more so when the person quoted is revealed to be Linus Torvalds - who was speaking of Windows ME and Windows 2K Pro at the CES in Las Vegas. Of note was a spolier event where Steve Jobs was speaking of CDRW capabilities - new to the MAC, as though such did not exist for the PC, or any other platform. I assess none of the *nix is any more discoverable today than it was then - while Windows XP/LH and Windows Servers become even more so - so much so that these fundmantal elements are traken for granted. |
| #25 By 3339 (64.160.58.150) at 4/1/2005 1:21:26 PM |
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lketchum, since Windows is so discoverable, can you help me DISCOVER how to shut off these stupid Print notifications in the systray? They appear ever since SP2... No matter what I do... click on help, click on the Taskbar/Systray control panel, search the web, I can't DISCOVER how to shut it off... You know, it's cool and all, to be reminded every morning that Windows can't restore perfectly functioning network connections that I will quite clearly discover in IE with a big red X and an error when it can't connect to these drives, but do I really need to be told "This document was sent to the Printer" a half second after I hit print?
How do I shut it off? How do I DISCOVER how to shut it off? |
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