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The next instalment of Windows will act as the cornerstone in Microsoft’s ongoing battle with IBM and Linux When the next version of Microsoft's operating system eventually launches, it will be into an environment unlike any faced by its predecessors. Microsoft has said publicly that Beta 1 of Longhorn would arrive by the end of 2005, though internally, the company has been aiming for a release by the middle of this year. The final version of Longhorn is slated for the second half of 2006. But regardless of exactly when the launch finally happens, the threat from Linux on the server and client, and the quiet bleed to a thin computing model, has created some stiff challenges for the software giant, say industry watchers. "We've seen a growing use of thin-client browser-based environments and this plays very strongly to the Linux desktop community. Longhorn is certainly Microsoft's attempt to reassert control against Linux and open source thin clients." says Neil Macehiter, a partner at MWD Advisors. | ||
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| #1 By 7711 (12.107.81.66) at 3/9/2005 11:18:35 AM |
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#4...but as broadband becomes even more common for the consumer, activation will become a non-issue...even less so than now.
I currently install software, the installation wizard transparently connectly through my cable broadband to the activation site, confirms a valid licence, done. Since I don't use pirated software and have the broadband connection, activation is not an issue. I've NEVER had to use the telephone to activate software. This post was edited by jimlat on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 11:19. |
| #2 By 1401 (69.40.49.210) at 3/9/2005 11:52:17 AM |
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I have had to use the phone activation many times, even thou I have been installing the same copy of Windows and Office on the same computer. Many people probably don't know this, but activation is limited to a certain number of times for installation, not just to protect against multiple installations on various machines.
So, if you format your hard drive each week and use the same copy to reinstall, eventually activation will be denied and you will have to make the phone call. In my experience, the phone activation is not a painfull process at all. 3 - 4 minutes tops... |
| #3 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 3/9/2005 11:56:14 AM |
| Activation resets after 120 days |
| #4 By 1401 (69.40.49.210) at 3/9/2005 11:58:30 AM |
| I don't think I have ever kept an installation that long... |
| #5 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 3/9/2005 12:11:22 PM |
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csmac3144 - I'm curious what you're using for development. The problem we've seen with complicated Javascript to the client, is it's a bear to try to debug through.
Outlook Web Access is built this way, and it's impressive. But still can't deliver the features that the Win32 client app has. |
| #6 By 1474 (160.125.253.9) at 3/9/2005 12:35:49 PM |
| Backup |
| #7 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 3/9/2005 12:40:50 PM |
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fast_math, what are you spewing about now?
fast_math wrote: "AWBrian, I wouldnt belive that BS if you sold it as a release canidate!" Well, facts are: Every 120 days, WPA will audit the hardware listed above and generate a new HWID. Effectively this resets the changed hardware count to zero. This means that if you change say four components on the 119th day after the last HWID was generated and reactivation was not triggered by that change, then on the 120th day, you can change four more components without needing to reactivate. fast_math wrote: "You people here at AW also said "there is no limit as to how many times you can reload xp" I NEVER said that. However, do know that there is NO limit based on following their guidelines. You can read those FACTS here: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx This post was edited by AWBrian on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 at 12:44. |
| #8 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 3/9/2005 12:49:38 PM |
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Geez, is it really that hard to get a hold of a VLK edition that doesn't have any annoying activation BS in it?
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| #9 By 9589 (152.7.232.54) at 3/9/2005 1:06:38 PM |
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fast_math, get yourself an additional hard drive, either internal or a USB 2.0/FW external and a copy of Ghost. With Ghost you can copy the entire drive, folder, or file manually or on a schedule, full or incremental and recover, if necessary from "bare bones". Recovery from "bare bones" is a non activation event. At Internet prices, you should have to pay no more than a couple of hundred bucks for a 100GB+ HDD and a copy of Ghost 9.
Hey, keep pay them retail prices for Windows XP Pro, I am Microsoft stock holder! lol |
| #10 By 2960 (156.80.64.60) at 3/9/2005 2:16:50 PM |
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#16,
Ok, so we're allowed to upgrade our hardware according to THEIR schedule. That's what you are saying. Every product I run is legal and I absolutely despise Product Activation. Has anyone ever wondered what would happen if you bought a product from a company that requires activation, and that company then goes out of business? Well, those with a certain brand of DVD backup software have already found out. You get SCREWED. Don't even get me started on DRM and Digital Music. One company going out of business could cost consumers BILLIONS in funds for products purchased and paid for that can no longer be used. Having MY ability to run/use a product that I bought with MY hard-earned money controlled/tied to a single entity for permission to use said product that I already paid for is, well.... HORSEPUCKIES. I will never be convinced otherwise, and that's the truth. Phhhht. TL |
| #11 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 3/9/2005 2:48:53 PM |
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#21: Nonsense. MS smiles on DRM and online activation, ergo it's good for the consumer. And who are you to argue?? MS knows what's best for you.
OK, sarcasm mode off. There was a usenet snit a week or two ago when the online authentication for NewsLeecher went down as they changed hosts. Lots of users complained that they couldn't use the app for up to a week or so because the author insists on having the client ACK the server at every run. If the authenticating server dies, so does the usefullness of the app. While this is not anywhere near as bad as MS activation, it's just another example of punishing the majority for the crimes of a few. |
| #12 By 8556 (12.217.161.186) at 3/9/2005 2:51:21 PM |
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To all the complainers mainly fast_math: you are right. Activation sucks, sometimes. However, suck it up since we have to live with it. Business exists to make money.
jdhawk: Using Ghost for image backups works well. However, True Image turns out to be superior to Ghost and allows incremental backups to incorporate into a full image with teh ability to extract individial files using the image as a virtual drive in Windows. I switched from Ghost the same day I tried the trial version due to its ease of use. I now use Ghost only to clone drives in DOS, as needed. Acronis’ True Image is very cool. |
| #13 By 9589 (152.7.232.54) at 3/9/2005 3:07:42 PM |
| bosireno, I agree. I chose Ghost since it is a shrink wrapped product that is readily available at Circuit City, Best Buy, etc. We use True Image for servers in our server farms where I work. It is has transplanted Ghost Enterprise Edition. |
| #14 By 1295 (216.84.210.100) at 3/9/2005 5:07:53 PM |
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Not to spoil the fun but the only LEGAL way to use MS's software is to follow their rules as they are set forth in the EULA.
You do not OWN any of their software. You are participating in a contract to use their software. If you violate the terms of that contract then you are using the software Illegally. Sure you may not like that arrangment and you are more then welcome to participate in another contract with a different software provider or write your own software. I don't mind Activation because a) I pay for my software b) I don't have crappy hardware c) I Backup. If you can't see how its worth spending $300 on a piece of software then do us all a favor and don't buy it ;) |
| #15 By 3653 (68.54.224.219) at 3/9/2005 9:11:04 PM |
| techlarry, when you get in your car... do you drive between the lines on the road... or swerve any way you want? Are you generally against any kind of enforcement of rules that dictate how you USE a product you OWN? |
| #16 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 3/9/2005 11:01:24 PM |
| The guys speaking to dev/test environments are right, MSDN, or OL. We are very glad for activation and the genuine SW tools. It means we can assure we are selling legit SW and that it is backed up by the manufacturer. That may not mean much to some people here, but it means a lot to small business people. They want their licenses and proof that what they are paying for is legit. Too many have been burned and being able to prove that the SW is legal and genuine has a lot of value and helps us sell systems. We do not normally use OEM licenses and prefer, as our small business customers do, boxed retail for XP Pro, Office and Server 2003. Frankly, so do we. They care less about price than you might think - they do care about quality and a well supported turn-key experience. *With OEM CALS, the builder has to provide an OOB experience per the guide/rules. Customers we deal with do not want that, they want it all done - all set up for them and ready for first use. We have never had a single problem with activation - online, or on the phone in very rare cases with some Office apps that we had uninstalled from old systems and moved to new ones. It took under 2 minutes and they thought was too long and sent us a 256MB Key Drive and a full copy of 2003 Server with 25 CALS! I've never understood the problem with activation. Piracy is not just a problem for MS - it's a problem for all SW devs and all consumers. |
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