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| Time: 08:11 EST/13:11 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Chris Hedlund | ||
Organisations should not begin a wholesale switch to Firefox in the near term, but should consider ways to manage browser co-existence because that is the most likely long-term outcome, the technology research firm Gartner says. In a commentary released recently, Gartner researchers R. Valdes, D. Smith and W. Andrews said Microsoft could determine the extent to which it lost browser market share by choosing whether and when to respond to the increasing take-up of Firefox. They said growth in Firefox usage was driven by factors that were not "inherently sustainable." "Microsoft's response to Firefox growth is limited by how much it ties a revamped Internet Explorer to the release of Longhorn," they said. | ||
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| #1 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 2/9/2005 8:36:17 AM |
| Co-existence and choice are wonderful words. |
| #2 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 2/9/2005 8:59:33 AM |
| With a never-ending series of critical flaws in IE, I suspect that the uptake of Firefox is definately sustainable. |
| #3 By 13030 (198.22.121.120) at 2/9/2005 10:33:07 AM |
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#3: When Firefox inevitably turns out to be flawed people are going to stop listening to nerds
So, we should stop listening to you too since you're a nerd? (Face it, if you post on AW, you're a nerd... big time!) |
| #4 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 2/9/2005 10:49:50 AM |
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#3: we shall see, but I doubt it. FF will have issues like any other piece of software as you mentioned. However, I very much doubt it will reach the same pinnacle of disaster as IE. The difference is all in IE low-level integration with the OS just so that Gates could tell the Justice Dept that IE was impossible to unbundle frm Windows. Yes, I'm sure MS was thinking all about the consumer when they did that.
Software security is kind of like people & personality. You're right in that all software has issues, just like people do. However, I think I'd rather spend my time with the Pope instead of Charles Manson. While it's not impossible for the Pope to kill you (due to brain tumour or other mental problem), it's much more likely that you'll die at the hands of Manson. It's all a matter of degree. I've noticed a correlation between Softies & Bushies. I guess some people have a mindset that says that big companies and big government should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want to without any accountability. |
| #5 By 143 (68.73.153.4) at 2/9/2005 11:28:28 AM |
| "Thank God for nerds" |
| #6 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 2/9/2005 11:36:35 AM |
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Hey, Latch, I've noticed a correlation between dufuses and open sore advocates and your statements just go to prove the correlation once again.
Meanwhile, while vulnearbilities may come go with over 100,000 desktops and laptops at our company we just don't see any exploitation. Of course, we have anitvirus software on our servers and users' computers and use SMS to distribute security patches, version upgrades, etc. The most time consuming aspect of this is testing before deployment (usually about three days after RTM), but we would do this for any version upgrades anyway and because we have only three base images it makes testing a non issue. Moreover, we have employees that just don't do dumb things like open e-mail that isn't specifically adressed to them or any attachments that they didn't specifically request no matter who sent them an e-mail. With XP and SP2, IE just hasn't been a problem either. IE is critical to some of our divisions means for getting vital information from vendors and requested data to our customers. Other browsers just don't cut it. By the way, our web developers test against all of the browsers that are of any importance based on our web log analysis of what our customers are using. So far, none of the other browsers are above 1% in usage including FF. IE is overwhelmingly the browser of choice. In fact, we see a higher percentage of Entourage users than FF - but hey, that's another MS product now isn't it? |
| #7 By 135 (128.64.154.3) at 2/9/2005 5:02:54 PM |
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Latch - I've noticed a correlation between Softies & Bushies. I guess some people have a mindset that says that big companies and big government should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want to without any accountability.
Well I definately don't agree with this statement. Softies aren't part of some movement, and have no desire to be. I would agree that the Cult of Bushies have a lot in common with Stalinism... or Maoism, or Naziism... well fundamentally any fascist society. We see the same book burnings, and propaganda tactics. But I don't see this with Microsoft. I see simply a company which is trying to stay in business by giving consumers what consumers state they want to buy. They do a lot of marketing, and they look for a lot of feedback. I see more similarities between the Bushies and the Mac and GPL zealots... again because they are cults and suffer from the typical problems of cults. |
| #8 By 7754 (65.27.85.198) at 2/9/2005 6:32:57 PM |
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I would agree that the Cult of Bushies have a lot in common with Stalinism... or Maoism, or Naziism...
Hey, now, that is quite unfair. Again with the comparisons to Hitler and Nazi atrocities... that's just us vs. them polarizing garbage. And you know, it is entirely possible to have decided to choose Bush over Kerry and yet not agree with every Bush administration policy, just as not all Kerry voters carry around a copy of "Fahrenheit 9/11" as if it's their Mao little red book. And you'll find "softies" on both sides of this fence. Similarities between "Bushies" and Mac zealots? Too bad there wasn't an exit poll on how many Bush voters were wearing black turtlenecks.... :) |
| #9 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 2/9/2005 6:37:15 PM |
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ClosedStandards, your attempts at humor are miserable. I hope that isn't your day job.
By the way, we would be crazy to block anyone attempting to access our web sites regardless of which browser they use. So, your "tip" is worthless as far as we are concerned. We are interested in what browser our customers (which number in the millions) use to ensure that they are provided with the best possible user experience when visiting our web sites. We program for what our customers are using based on the data we cull from our web logs. Since only 1-2% of our customers use a browser other than IE, we program for IE. If our programming works well with the other browsers than that is all well and good. We just don't feel the need to hire more programmers or ask our present staff to work harder to satisfy such a miniscule population. If that should change, we will rethink our present stance. It is as simple as that. My bet is that the rest of the Fortune 500 (actually it is more than a bet, we can afford to hire consultants and buy or commission studies that outline trends within our industry as well as other businesses and other industries) is doing exactly the same thing as I outlined above. If and when the OSS crowd can come up with a better mouse trap, the mindshare will change. Regardless of how you "feel" about it, that is the way it is. Meantime, no word on the "study" that Munich is doing, eh? |
| #10 By 7754 (65.27.85.198) at 2/9/2005 7:32:05 PM |
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I think the Michael Moore left (like sodablue) and the Microsoft haters on this site do have much in common with each other. The prime motivation seems to be hate and jealousy at others success.
Well, pigeon-holing others right back isn't going to help anything, either. |
| #11 By 135 (128.64.154.3) at 2/10/2005 1:09:59 PM |
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It'd be pointless to argue with Parkker point by point, as he's a cult member.
for the rest of you... my views are not unique, nor are they of a particular liberal slant. Rather my views come from the American right... http://www.amconmag.com/2005_02_14/article.html http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts-arch.html |
| #12 By 2960 (156.80.64.60) at 2/10/2005 1:51:41 PM |
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I only have one question in all of this...
Will there be a patch soon? TL |
| #13 By 3653 (68.54.224.219) at 2/10/2005 5:31:06 PM |
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sodablue- still hot over his and his cronies string of defeats. Oh well, you liberals still have the great state of Massachu...
"We see the same book burnings" I'm glad you brought this up sodablue (as in blue state). I read about this the other day, where Bush was on the front lawn of the White House with flame in hand. I can't believe it hasn't gotten more news coverage. Man, that was a big pile of books, and boy did they burn quick after Bush threw gasoline on them. Just more idiotic political statements by sodablue, who is still steaming that the majority of Americans aren't bent as far left as he is. Thank God. I remember ?5? years ago, when sodablue was at least tactful in his disparraging remarks of Bush. But then after his soulmate Gore lost, he went further off the deep end and started disparraging our troops. And now he's resorting to just doing a hitler comparison and leaving it at that. Sad sodablue. Real sad. But at least you have the support of fellow resident genius msucks to back up your political views. Sodablue, why are you still reading this? Shouldn't you have already hit the REPLY button and written a nice witty "I'm not going to take the time to reply to mooresa" comment, like usual? |
| #14 By 3653 (68.54.224.219) at 2/11/2005 9:00:36 PM |
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no sodablue response.
typical. |
| #15 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 2/12/2005 3:26:09 AM |
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Since we've become ActivePolictalWin...
I do not believe any of you would believe the truth much less accept it, but it is quite simple. There are a few basic facts - all of them driven by very human responses, and few that are just too wild to believe, but are no less true and did contribute to how things actually happened. It was all about transformation and realization. Yuri Andropov was murdered by his son in law. He was Gorbachev's boss and mentor in gthe KGB. The last of the old guard became premier and he died - Chernyenko. Gorbachev ascended at the height of the Reagan era military build-up. The Soviets were deploying the SS-21 to the forward area - Soviet CGF, or 5th Combined Arms Army - essentially the same as the Western Group of Forces when one added the forces in the Ukraine and Belorussia - just huge. NATO countered with the Pershing II - with a twist - we knew their launcher locations and Reagan knew it - he revealed this to Gorbachev - who turned white as a sheet. It meant that the US's national nuclear umbrella was no longer needed - we could end it in 12 minutes and there was nothing the Soviets could have done about it. Gorbachev tried what was essentially the Finlandization of Central Europe - more open, more access to western goods. At the same time, Reagan changed. He dropped his hard line and he and Gorbachev became real friends. Reagan hurt for the people in the East block and came to understand just how fearful the Soviets were. Technology transfers, loans and frequent phone calls cemented a friendship that allowed people in the East to begin to see just how empty a centralized economy left them - when it came apart, the presidium wanted intervention - Gorbachev asked one simple question, "What do you want of me; you want me to send in the tanks again...?" They didn't no one wanted that and one regime fell after another - including the former Soviet Union. Reagan's warming to Gorbachev, his move away from a very hard line, and offers to assist backed by billions in loans, grants, food and technology provided some hope. The big mistake was and is, not embracing the many brilliant scientists and technicians that had built the East's weapons. These same people, smart, left out and still needing to feed their kids are behind the white mafia, weapons proliferation and even organized computer related crime. I wish I could go on and on - could, but many young one's out there just want to be right - rather than actually know. The cold war ended not because of weapons, a hard line or some victory one side had won. It ended because of a friendship and a brief moment of sanity where the alternatives to losing an empire were correctly judged as simply too costly. Gorbachev's brief, but brave decision was the final element and tired old men who remebered just how horrible war is, agreed. Promises we made, some we kept, some we didn't, helped, too. Our real mess up and the reason we are at war now, is because our country and a well intentioned but frankly stupid left, wanted its peace dividend. What Clinton failed to see was that the real peace dividend was peace itself. cont... |
| #16 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 2/12/2005 3:44:58 AM |
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Four events followed - all oportunistic off-shoots the rapid collapse of an empire.
1) The Gulf War - the most avoidable war in history - it did however solidify an understanding: that there was still a super power - in fact there only ever was one and it was/is a hyper-power. It scared the crap out of a lot of people - not least of which was the former Soviet Union who put down an internal revolt (or item 2) - combined arms doctrine mixed with mass precision fires devasted an enormous army of men so much like ouselves most would be shocked. 3) the Baltic states took advantage of the time and split off - many others followed suite. 4) The Balkans blew up as the common control was removed and it was open season on muslims after that - really, more a matter of historical peoples taking back what had been taken during the islamic invasion of central Europe - the world's longest war. What's left - a lot of people who felt left out and without opportunity. The result? More War. And all because the west wanted its peace dividend and unrealistic returns on investments. Dumb beyond comprehension. What all of us should have done was re-purpose the infrastructure that made the systems and weapons of war and joined the same in the east to build not weapons, but cars that run on orange juice. We didn't and just like I did for two decades, we're sending young people to die in yet another war because we're all so interested in being right - vice doing what is right. In my company - we are all combat vets and some of us were the hardest of the hard - we have vowed, "Help all, hurt none." We've seen the mess war and wanting to be right brings. Instead, we just share, learn and try and make it better. The world we tried to save fired us - you can imagine just how radical it was to propose that we embrace former enemies and see if we couldn't a) make them so rich miney would be irrelevant, and b) re-apply our skills to help people learn to do what we had done - albeit for far better purposes. Just once, I want to see an example in here of, "hey, here is how you fix this, or lock this down to prevent bad people from hurting innocent people." Just once. |
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