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IE Usage Falls Again, Firefox Gains | |
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| Time: 11:15 EST/16:15 GMT | News Source: BetaNews | Posted By: Chris Hedlund | ||
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Use of Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser has fallen for the seventh straight month, and the decline is beginning to accelerate, according to new data from research firm WebSideStory. Usage of IE stood at 90.3 percent, a one month decrease of 1.5 percent. Meanwhile, Firefox usage rose nearly a full percentage point to 5 percent of the market. WebSideStory also showed gains in Apple's Safari browser and Opera Software's flagship browser. The original Mozilla browser showed some weakness, falling slightly since December. Other browser usage surveys, however, show Internet Explorer to have already fallen below 90 percent. Rival OneStat.com in November said IE's share stood at 88.9 percent. OneStat.com at that time pegged Firefox usage at 4.58 percent. | ||
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| #1 By 1401 (69.40.35.229) at 1/21/2005 11:52:20 AM |
| If IE wasn't built into Windows it would have 5% market share at best... |
| #2 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 1/21/2005 12:13:30 PM |
| This article is more FUD, and impossible. |
| #3 By 143 (68.248.128.57) at 1/21/2005 12:21:04 PM |
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I thought this site was called ActiveWIN not ActiveFOX?
This is worse than Home Land Security trying to cause panic. |
| #4 By 1401 (69.40.35.229) at 1/21/2005 12:38:00 PM |
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We are slowly migrating to become ActiveLinux...
j/k :-) |
| #5 By 23603 (66.130.147.103) at 1/21/2005 12:53:01 PM |
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I predict firefox will get not more then 7% of the market (in the next 4 years)
....And yes I have tried Firefox... I still like IE6 with SP2. It does all the job. The new pop up blocker is very nice. I don't get any spyware cause I don't surf xxx site and warez site. So can any firefox users tell me why should I choose firecrap? By the way, what the yell are you firefox losers doing here anyway? |
| #6 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 1/21/2005 1:00:06 PM |
| Man, some people are stupid. You are all aware that Firefox runs under Windows right? It's not a LINUX thing, right? And although I'm used to this place being a hotbed of raving MS fanboys, getting your shorts in a knot about which browser one runs under WIndows is about as pathetic as it comes. Here's a tip for some of you: just because it comes from MS doesn't mean it's good, and just because it's doesn't come from MS doesn't mean it's bad. Unreal. |
| #7 By 1401 (69.40.35.229) at 1/21/2005 1:12:15 PM |
| yes, this space is a hotbed of MS fanboys (read #2) |
| #8 By 1401 (69.40.35.229) at 1/21/2005 1:14:14 PM |
| Every Windows enthusiast surely realizes that the browser wars are a hot topic right now. Personally, I have stopped using IE and have switched to FlashPeak's Slimbrowser. I don't see myself ever going back to IE. But, with that said, I still like MS products... |
| #9 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 1/21/2005 1:27:19 PM |
| Wow. Parkker didn't even make it in the first 10 posts on this subject. He's slipping :) |
| #10 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 1/21/2005 1:53:02 PM |
| #9, it's FUD, cuz it's impossible. |
| #11 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 1/21/2005 1:54:39 PM |
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Anyone else had problems with XP/SP2 IE crashing on the front news page when it reloads ?
Happened to me about 6 times already today. I don't have Firefox installed on this partition yet. |
| #12 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 1/21/2005 2:01:18 PM |
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"#9, it's FUD, cuz it's impossible."
Whats impossible? Why is it impossible? |
| #13 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 1/21/2005 2:34:18 PM |
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Hahaha, TL... you're right, where is Parkker???? Oh, nevermind, there he is. Must have been in the restroom....
I've said this before, but I think it needs repeating, since no one else seems to want to touch this aspect of the "browser war." I like FF and use it more and more lately... however, it will not be a program that I will roll out to other users (a sentiment confirmed by many of my IT colleagues). In my case, the main failing of FF on its own merit is the lack of an admin-grade patching utility (to my knowledge... if there is one, please let me know). This is huge. I will not rely on users going to "check for patches" on their own time. It has to be something that can be controlled centrally. SUS and SMS do this nicely for IE, among other methods. Furthermore, yes, there are a few compatibility problems with a few websites that will require us to keep IE. But this itself is a problem for FF, even though it really isn't a FF software issue--if you're already keeping IE, rolling out FF means patching TWO browsers and having TWO sets of vulnerabilities to watch (plus all the time and effort spent in maintaining/testing two applications rather than one). In some sense, you double your "attack surface." In addition to that, you end up with support issues such as, "Why are my Bookmarks different (or NOT THERE) when I go to 'the Internet?'" and "Why does xxxxx site look funny?" and so on. It's just not worth the expense. This post was edited by bluvg on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 14:37. |
| #14 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 1/21/2005 2:38:55 PM |
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tgnb, it's impossible that Firefox has even remotely close to 5% of the web browsing share worldwide. Internet Explorer not only had a supposed 90%+ marketshare for the past whatever number of years, but they continue to sell about 12 million pc's per month with IE on them. If there have been 19 million downloads of FF (that doesn't account for those who download them multiple times onto multiple computers or those that uninstall them after testing/trying it) since November, and on average 12 million new IE purchases per month, that would mean that since November, every single user that has bought a new pc is not using IE and is downloading Firefox instead. We know THAT isn't the case. And since THAT isn't the case, and most likely, more than 90% of those 12 million pc's sold are indeed users who are using IE, I find it unlikely (impossible) that there are 24 million people per month who have stopped using IE in favor of FF.
In addition, these onstat.com and websidestory do NOT monitor all internet traffic. It's just impossible. If there is only 19 million users of FF 1.0 as of today, and you take away 19 million IE users, 19 million isn't even remotely close to 5% of the number of people/computers surfing the web today. There are 934 million people online worldwide in 2004. Back in 2002 there were 500 million computers surfing the web. (from Nielsen netratings) http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/geographics/article.php/5911_151151 Projection for 2005: 1.07 billion (Computer Industry Almanac) http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/geographics/article.php/5911_151151 Which would require FF to have about 53.5 million users to obtain 5% of the end of 2005. I just say that it's impossible. |
| #15 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 1/21/2005 2:51:21 PM |
| AWBrian, I see what you're saying... but just to play devil's advocate, you're comparing users, whereas I think these statistics were for total web traffic (is that correct?). Is it possible that a relatively few number of FF users were doing a relatively large amount of browsing? |
| #16 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 1/21/2005 2:52:41 PM |
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I just checked WebSideStory's web site for their latest press releases and the last time they posted an article about Firefox was 13 December 2004. There are news story about their story since that time, but nothing new has been posted.
So, we have another Munich is going *nix story. In other words, BS. Good point, AWBrian. By the way, some of our web designers and coders have downloaded FF to ensure that our web sites would run on it and in anticipation of enough of a percentage of our customers (numbering in the millions) would use it. Sorry, less than 1% of our users use it according to our web statistics over the last three months, Oct - Dec 2004. |
| #17 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 1/21/2005 3:10:45 PM |
| Its funny how you guys use these statistics when they are in favor of your opinion and try to discredit them when they are not. |
| #18 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 1/21/2005 3:16:07 PM |
| tgnb, i can say that i don't think we will EVER know the actual numbers from either side. |
| #19 By 415 (199.8.64.204) at 1/21/2005 3:48:38 PM |
| Good points, Brian. You're one smart cookie. Can I be your friend? ;-) |
| #20 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 1/21/2005 3:54:36 PM |
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#13,
Yeah, that's true :) TL |
| #21 By 415 (199.8.64.204) at 1/21/2005 4:06:06 PM |
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HAHAHAHA! Man, I haven't laughed my ass off this good over a post here in a while...
"Jim@xugle.com (don't bother spamming... I use thunderbird)" I could try to make fun of this, but I can't think of anything funnier to say! |
| #22 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 1/21/2005 4:10:09 PM |
| Simdude90015 Grow up! You have a lot to learn. |
| #23 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 1/21/2005 4:29:22 PM |
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"if your car crashed as much as your windows"
My Windows doesn't crash, nor does my car. So what is your point? |
| #24 By 23275 (67.32.52.11) at 1/21/2005 5:34:07 PM |
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Over 28 million users a day here... less than .7% on FF across everything from F&A processing to aesthetic practices.
No one, and no company stating FF, Opera, Mozilla, or Safari is the platform of choice has ever paid us a dime for either dev or managed hosting - not once! XP and IE 6 ?, well over 95% of all users [Web Trends Enterprise 7]. The rest are on W2K and 5.5 - mostly. Linux actually scores higher than FF at .8% and declines a small amount each month. Safari is so seldom used, despite the ad agencies that we support, that it is insignificant. |
| #25 By 3339 (64.160.58.137) at 1/21/2005 6:09:25 PM |
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The lunacy that is AWBrian:
"12 million new users a month..." Huh? You think every PC sold is a brand new user? You don't think a single PC replaced an older PC? You don't think some older PCes are being "killed" without being replaced? So... clearly there are not 12 million new users per month. Second, Mozilla is counting downloads from their site. But thanks to Open Source, many, many more people are distributing it themselves. I know I have send the installation rather than pointing to the web site for over 20 people. What you are doing, Brian, is taking extrapolated data and applying it against other extrapolated data which was collected by completely different means for completely different purposes (computer sales does not indicate user numbers, nevermind what browser they use, and neither do download stats indicate user numbers). On the other hand, each of these different data sets had a particular methodology to extrapolate the final number because it is an unknown number (except for FF downloads). WebSideStory is simply looking at the data of the websites it montiors. We are getting usage stats and percentages of each different browser. And 5% of it IS FireFox traffic. That is undeniable and entirely POSSIBLE. They explain their methodology and we know which sites they monitor. You can't say: "That's impossible." What we can say is: there are margins of error in all statistical analysis, but statistical analysis can still be usefull particularly over the long term when observing trends. No matter WebSideStory's sample pool, if that sample pool remains constant, and continues to show IE usage dropping and FireFox usage gaining, then it is a real and OBSERVABLE trend. This post was edited by sodajerk on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 18:12. |
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