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Review: Microsoft Anti-Spyware Ineffective | |
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| Time: 09:40 EST/14:40 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Brian Kvalheim | ||
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Microsoft Corp. created the world's most popular operating system -- one that's also heartily embraced by hackers and virus writers. And it begat the world's top Web browser, which makes it all too easy to mistakenly download and install spyware, adware and other garbage. You'd think the world's largest software company, which presumably knows its own Windows and Internet Explorer code, would have long ago come up with something to repair PCs possessed by malicious programs. Think again. | ||
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| #1 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 1/21/2005 10:53:31 AM |
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| #2 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 1/21/2005 11:00:33 AM |
| So, Latch, why exactly are you on this web site? |
| #3 By 6859 (206.156.242.39) at 1/21/2005 11:03:37 AM |
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(1) the author of the article is an anti-MS shill, so his opinion is already heavily biased;
(2) he's wrong, the product does work, better than expected by many, I might add; (3) he's reviewing a BETA product, and shouldn't expect perfection. Therfore, there's nothing to see here, move along. |
| #4 By 7711 (12.107.81.66) at 1/21/2005 11:41:11 AM |
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#2...and Apple, Oracle, Sun, Novell (and whoever else you want to add) are absolute saints in the business/computer world???? MS has been successful, and others envy that success...tell me you wouldn't want the success (and $$$$) of either Gates or Ballmer.
Move along..... This post was edited by jimlat on Friday, January 21, 2005 at 11:43. |
| #5 By 3653 (63.162.177.143) at 1/21/2005 12:53:24 PM |
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Here's the problem, we have people like "Latch" that profess to be technologists of some kind (programers, sysadmins, etc), but the reality is that their technology CHOICES are governed by a hatred of a company.
Not in my company. If I caught someone using that logic to influence purchases... they would be out on their ass. |
| #6 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 1/21/2005 1:16:05 PM |
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#3: my job requires that I keep up on Windows stuff. Don't confuse hating Windows with hating Microsoft. While I think Windows has a LOT of problems, I still use it.
#6: none of those companies you listed comes close to MS for dirty deeds. Yes, MS is successful, but that's irrelevant to the discussion, isn't it? And yes, I'd love to have Gates' money, but that's also irrelevant to the discussion, isn't it? But to digress, I think that a higher standard of business practices would be beneficial all around. The goal shouldn't be to be the most evil company. #7: I don't see where I profess to be anything, so maybe you just made that up. Plus, I'm not sure who you're talking about since I run Windows at home as well as the office. Maybe you're hallucinating. Like I said to the other guy, don't confuse hating Windows with hating MS. |
| #7 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 1/21/2005 1:50:43 PM |
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I haven't read the story because they require you to create an account and log in. Screw them. I'm tired of all these damned web login's to simply read a news story. It's pure data collection. Screw them again.
Anyway, all the AntiSpy programs are useful. In fact, you NEED them all because one doesn't do the job. Two don't do the job. You need as many as you can get your hands on. My typical Spyware Cleanup goes as follows (and I do this a LOT): 1. Install, update and run Spybot. 2. Install, update and run Adaware. Adaware is THE best for process based Spyware. 3. Restart the system. 4. Clear out the User Temp Folder, System Temp Folder, and Internet Temp Folder. 5. Use HiJack This! to clear out any BHO's or other nasties still attached. 6. Use StartupCPL to inspect processes, and kill and deactivate any that should not be there. Since I deal with a corporate load you get a mental picture of what's right and wrong after a while. 7. Restart the system and make sure no nasties came back. 8. At this point if there are exploits left I install, update and run Giant (MS) AntiSpyware. It is good at getting things might miss. Why don't I use Giant (MS) AntiSpyware as a first-offense tool? Well, for one, it can get a bit sluggish. And while it is good at getting things the other two miss, it's NOT as good as the other two put together IMHO. Finally, there are some issues with MS AntiSpyware when you are servicing a system remotely via VNC (which is how 95% of my jobs are serviced). The Rabbit-Like replication of the System Tray Icon is one such issue. That issue has been there from day 1 when it was Giant-AntiSpy. At this point, if it's still not clean due to a multi-level or unknown exploit, it's time for the Image CD's. TL There are a couple of reasons I don't use Giant (MS) AntiSpyware |
| #8 By 2960 (68.101.39.180) at 1/21/2005 1:51:37 PM |
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Rats. I forgot to include CWShredder in my routine above.
TL |
| #9 By 23275 (67.32.52.11) at 1/21/2005 5:48:42 PM |
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#2 Man, that's a lot of hostility. What OS do you use? "Just curious."
I've met a few folks that feel that way, but they have never been very specific about why they concluded as you have. Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about IBM, the US, or small mamals? I ask, because I htink it is fair to state that without the common ground provided by MS, a lot of economies would not be what they are today - each of ours. Anybody remember when only IBM produced an 80 column side card punch reader? It was the only one available, was considered horrid by all - but oddly, it worked very well and at any time, those hating it so, could have built a better one... or could they...? |
| #10 By 8273 (4.5.72.198) at 1/23/2005 4:53:45 AM |
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As #6 questioned, no, Novell is not the "saint" everyone thinks they are. When I was in high school (late '80s), I wrote a program that would provide reports about logon activity. Novell found out about it, and there were talks to buy the code. They wanted to see the code to see if it was of the quality they expected, so we (it was written during school time on school computers, so they had part in the deal) let the lawyers see it with the verbal agreement that the lawyers would not provide the code to Novell. A few weeks later, talks were broken off, because they no longer needed my code.
Shortly after, they had a tool that provided the same functionality. Interestingly enough, there were a few bugs in the code that were also in my code. When the lawyers contacted theirs, we received a reply that was more or less "too bad". The school did not have the money to go after Novell, so I, and the school, lost out. I did not get the money from the program I needed to go onto college, and the school did not get the money from the program to buy computers for students. And everybody says Microsoft is evil. |
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