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Apple Introduces Mac Mini | |
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| Time: 14:21 EST/19:21 GMT | News Source: Apple | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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pple® today introduced Mac® mini, the most affordable and compact Mac ever. Starting at just $499, Mac mini is the ideal desktop computer for anyone looking to get started with Mac OS® X and features iLife® ‘05, the latest version of Apple’s innovative suite of software for managing digital photo and music collections, editing movies and creating music. Just two-inches tall and weighing only 2.9 pounds, Mac mini redefines design for the sub-$1,000 desktop. “Starting at just $499, Mac mini is the most affordable way to enjoy Mac OS X and iLife,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “Just plug in your display, keyboard and mouse and you’ve got an incredibly compact Mac for a price that almost anyone can afford.” | ||
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| #1 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 1/11/2005 3:39:40 PM |
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Congratulations to Apple on this--it looks like a slick little unit. It looks like a portable hard drive! In fact, if Apple made a portable hard drive that looked like this (and was price-competitive), a lot of people would buy it for the appearance. If they made a PC like this, it probably would sell well also (and it would be nice for IT for moves, adds, and changes). It's almost too small to appreciate it from a desktop-design standpoint (like the G5s).
I would say it's overpriced for what you get (my personal thoughts), but if you think about it, you often pay a premium for small form-factor PCs. Considering that, it's not quite so bad. As for performance, yes, it's not a G5, but it's certainly faster than what I'm using at home (dual PIII-450). :) Not that I'll be buying one, though. |
| #2 By 3653 (63.162.177.143) at 1/11/2005 3:45:06 PM |
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I bought a 3.2GHz Dell a full 12 months ago, upgraded it to 1GB of RAM (same speed as the mac mini), with an equivalent graphics card (a year ago, mind you), with DVD burner and (imagine this) keyboard and mouse, and 450GB (200 + 250) of hard disk (11X the mac mini) for $550.
With the macmini, I get a half speed computer, that I can't upgrade easily, for a higher price, one-fourth the RAM, 1/11 the hard disk, and no DVD burner. |
| #3 By 3653 (63.162.177.143) at 1/11/2005 3:47:01 PM |
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| #4 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 1/11/2005 3:52:44 PM |
| Mooresa, did you order that through Dell's site? What model was it? That's quite a deal! |
| #5 By 26496 (67.163.252.95) at 1/11/2005 4:29:57 PM |
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Well lets see what mooresa said. With computers at the cheapest they've ever been currently you can't even purchase everything mentioned above for less than 1200 bucks. He says mind you a year ago things were twice as much.
Computers currently for what you get are at their cheapest today compared to years past or before this day. The only way it cost that much is if he purchased a Celeron. People also if you don't know anything about macs is they don't use an Intel or AMD processor so at 1.24ghz POWERPC CPU, it's probably just as fast as anything Intel and AMD can put out to a certain extent. That is why this is such a great thing for Apple and at a great price. Obviously some posters here just don't realize the nature of computing don't know what they are saying. Simple fact is AMD has a faster processor and at 64bit over anything Intel has and their core speed is at 2.6 ghz whereas Intel is at 3.4ghz. So you can't use GHZ as a factor of speed. This is the problem with people they want the numbers, numbers mean nothing it's the architecture that matters. The PowerPC is one of the best processors or chips for doing graphics and this is why so many graphic artists use them and those doing CGI. Thus the reason Microsoft themselves have supposedly gone to them for XBOX 2. They are a much better processor. Ok someone mentioned yes it's only a G4 but hey I bet it rocks, and to bad it isn't a G5. This post was edited by Cellar Dweller on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 16:38. |
| #6 By 26496 (67.163.252.95) at 1/11/2005 5:12:24 PM |
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Let me also say that I've never owned a Mac and probably never will but actually after looking at what you get for 599.00 this thing may be the ticket. You'll never see the power PC CPU that cheap and with all that you get.
This is a great item. See one of the problems with people that don't do their research before posting may think that Windows XP is the best OS??? Well to some this isn't the case either. You can't leave out Mac OSX or even Linux for that matter. And closedstandards you hit on something good also the size and noise. If you do graphics, sound, CGI or anything 3D this baby is definately the ticket for you and the price is incredible and will blow the doors off anything from Intel or AMD. Don't be fooled by Microsoft, Intel as only being the best there is this may be one of the things furthest from the truth. AMD, PowerPC are what is great and Linux and other 64 bit OS's. GHZ means nothing in the world of computing. Research, research, research boys before saying something silly. |
| #7 By 116 (24.173.215.234) at 1/11/2005 5:17:12 PM |
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Uh oh the guise of ClosedStandards sarcasm is finally coming off! You must have hit a nerve Mooresa congrats!
I am familiar with macs and this is a "slow" economy pc looking at what is available today. In fact I would say my 1.2 ghz centrino is faster with lower clock speed (albeit more expensive). As for the mini bravo to apple for finally delivering on a low priced mac unit. I have always said that Mac's are cool toys, just very very overpriced. Again for the money you can obviously get a better ecquipped pc that would be more flexible but thats not what this computer is about. Its about getting more marketshare for Mac which they desparately need. The writing is on the wall folks, apple is being encroached from all over and they are becoming more and more of a niche player. Hopefully for them this will stem the tide a little bit. After all competition is a good thing. |
| #8 By 61 (65.32.168.114) at 1/11/2005 5:25:17 PM |
| Cellar: I'm sorry, but a G4 is on the level of a Pentium 3's and Athlon Thunderbird cores, nowhere near today's performance, even on the lower end. |
| #9 By 26496 (67.163.252.95) at 1/11/2005 6:03:50 PM |
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Here is a good article to read and this is an old article.
Also look at prices. What a difference today makes. Also take in the fact that the motherboards, memory and the actual G4 CPU is faster with this new system. This is just a quick look at how a G4 matches up. http://193.175.22.77/bilders/itnotez/apple/pc_vs-Mac.html My point only is that everyone tries saying that GHZ is everything and this is completely wrong. Every post earlier mentions this fact. Yes it would have been great if they used a G5 which is more comparable to an Athlon XP 3200+ or and Intel 3.2 but the fact is it's still the architecture that makes it work regardless of MHZ or GHZ. Since the G4 came out I'm sure they've improved on it and the motherboards are probably much better and for 599 that you can get the top of the line G4 isn't all that bad and 1 Gig PC 3200 ram. Just for the ram alone will cost you half of that 599 for an Intel or AMD system. I think it's a great deal and after doing a bit more research on it I may just have one of these bad boys on it's way very soon. This post was edited by Cellar Dweller on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 18:14. |
| #10 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 1/11/2005 6:27:33 PM |
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Cellar Dweller, what do you think, that all the folks on this site have been living under a rock for the past few years? If you're still griping about "MHz <> speed" argument, go somewhere else. You're preaching to the choir.
On the other hand, you need to do your research if you really think a G4 1.25 GHz CPU fares well against the current AMD and Intel offerings. It's not in the same league. The G4 is not a bad processor, but it's not competitive with today's top chips. This is NOT a great CGI computer by today's standards, and it definitely is not going to "blow the doors off anything from Intel or AMD." As for Microsoft "fooling" us to use Intel, you contradict yourself by saying earlier that they selected an IBM chip for the next XBox. And if you think that Intel is so lousy performance-wise, why don't you mosey over to www.spec.org. Among single-core chips, nobody comes close to the Itanium2 FP performance. Among desktop chips, they aren't exactly doing poorly. And as for Dell machines being loud, you should look around. There are some VERY quiet Dell models. |
| #11 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 1/11/2005 6:37:50 PM |
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Since the G4 came out I'm sure they've improved on it and the motherboards are probably much better
Guess again: http://www.apple.com/macmini/specs.html 167 MHz system bus. And it does NOT come with 1GB of RAM. It comes with 256 MB of PC2700 (333MHz) DDR RAM, whether it's the $499 or $599 base model. Any way you look at it, it's not like this is a killer machine performance-wise. |
| #12 By 61 (65.32.168.114) at 1/11/2005 8:01:10 PM |
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Yeah, you can buy 512mb of Corsair XMS for $100 (or at least you could the other day)... hardly half the price of the system... much better performing RAM than anything Apple will ever give you, and 2x the amount.
Again, the G4 is no where near the AthlonXP line... not even the Sempron line. The 9200 is a dog slow card (I should know, I used to use one). I think it's a horrible deal. It has bare minimum hardware and the price costs more than a PC with a monitor! |
| #13 By 37 (24.183.41.60) at 1/11/2005 8:43:12 PM |
| This is a horrible deal. Not only is it without a monitor, but it's way underpowered. This is like an eMachine with half the power and features. There is no way in heck you are going to edit video/graphics with this puker. |
| #14 By 1845 (67.169.248.36) at 1/11/2005 11:46:05 PM |
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Tiger is just as 64 bit as Panther...not very. As such, I suppose Tiger will purr decently on a mini (should you decide to use one, that is). This post was edited by BobSmith on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 at 23:46. |
| #15 By 2960 (156.80.64.203) at 1/12/2005 1:12:48 PM |
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Feel free to purchase it #1 :)
TL |
| #16 By 2960 (156.80.64.203) at 1/12/2005 1:15:49 PM |
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#6,
" Well lets see what mooresa said. With computers at the cheapest they've ever been currently you can't even purchase everything mentioned above for less than 1200 bucks. He says mind you a year ago things were twice as much. " He forget to mention. He bought it from a guy in a Van down by the River... :) TL |
| #17 By 61 (65.32.168.114) at 1/12/2005 3:34:35 PM |
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bobba: But that's just it... it's not a decently speced machine... ESPECIALLY for the price. Would you be willing to pay $600 for a PIII with 256mb of RAM, a horrible video card (Radeon 9200), etc...?
If you want a $600 system, I'd be happy to build one for you. |
| #18 By 37 (24.183.41.60) at 1/12/2005 7:10:17 PM |
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No Monitor
No Keyboard No Mouse No Power No Games No Apps No Way |
| #19 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 1/13/2005 10:22:29 AM |
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Halcyon, that's how I see it as well. As long as people don't have delusions about its performance capabilities, it's a pretty slick little unit, and the price isn't outrageous.
BTW, does anyone know what kind of drive is in there? I'm assuming it's a 2.5" (laptop) drive... now, if it's a 4200RPM drive, that would definitely reduce my enthusiasm. |
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