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Firefox ad readied as market share increases | |
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| Time: 10:06 EST/15:06 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Chris Hedlund | ||
The Mozilla group expects to run a thank-you ad in the New York Times by Christmas as new market share numbers showed continued progress against Microsoft. The Mozilla Foundation, an open-source group founded by Netscape Communications to develop its browser and spun off last year by AOL Time Warner, has been executing an unorthodox, volunteer marketing campaign. To mark last month's official launch of the Firefox browser, the group planned to take out a full-page New York Times ad thanking financial contributors. | ||
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| #1 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/15/2004 2:10:31 PM |
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"comparisons are speculative."
That is true. BTW, IE works great. So what's the issue msucks? What does Firefox have to offer that IE can't offer? |
| #2 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/15/2004 2:21:45 PM |
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"Well, tabbed browsing"
Available as a free addon to IE. Visit www.slimbrowser.com "increased stability and security" Opinion noted. "no activeX BS" In IE, go to Tools > Options and disable if you don't like it. "integration with a much better search engine than the crappy msn one" Don't you know how to change the default search engine in IE to Google? Pretty easy man. "better cookie management" Available in IE with add-ons. Visit www.maxthon.com "better compliance with W3 standards" For what? How has that benefit you? Where does MS's IE fail in W3? "And soon it'll be 50 million, or even 100 million. That's a fact. Not a ms "get the facts" fact, but an actual one. " Do you have a cite? BTW, since you haven't given us any reason to switch to Firefox yet, since IE can do all that Firefox can do, and has been able to long before Firefox, can we assume you are just another OSS zealot shill? |
| #3 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/15/2004 2:32:03 PM |
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Why use addons? That is a VERY good question msucks.
https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&numpg=&category=All Maybe you can explain where there are 200 add-ons for Firefox? "Why use addons when you can have one browser" hmmmm....odd. This post was edited by AWBrian on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 14:32. |
| #4 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/15/2004 2:49:12 PM |
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Please answer my question msucks. You seem to be claiming facts, when all you have supplied are opinions. Tabbed browsing? Dude, IE has had that with an add-on for YEARS. Firefox has it by default. Opera had it by default WELL before Firefox. So what is your point?
Firefox is nothing "new". What has Firefox introduced? 1. Tabbed browsing? No 2. Customizeable toolbars? No (in fact, you can't even drag and drop the toolbars around in Firefox with out going into the customize mode and recreating them by moving each part. 3. W3 Standards support? No 4. Ability to have extensions/add-ons? No 5. Ability to run with out ActiveX? No 6. Popup Blocker? No 7. RSS support? No 8. Themes? No 9. Better cookie management? No 10. Improved speed? No What has Firefox given us that isn't already out there? This post was edited by AWBrian on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 14:52. |
| #5 By 3339 (64.160.58.137) at 12/15/2004 3:04:47 PM |
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Who cares if it is "new", Brian. It has the features integrated without searching for add-ons. It adds all of these features which should be considered the norm now integrated nicely and efficiently.
So does it have: 1. Tabbed browsing? Yes 2. Customizeable toolbars? Yes (just because you can't d-n-d, doesn't mean they can't) 3. W3 Standards support? Yes 4. Ability to have extensions/add-ons? Yes 5. Ability to run with out ActiveX? Yes 6. Popup Blocker? Yes 7. RSS support? Yes 8. Themes? Yes 9. Better cookie management? Yes 10. Improved speed? Yes In one download. Why the fck would anyone want to completely reconfigure IE's settings and download about 7 add-ins to get those features when they don't have to? |
| #6 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/15/2004 3:45:01 PM |
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"In one download. Why the fck would anyone want to completely reconfigure IE's settings and download about 7 add-ins to get those features when they don't have to?"
Exactly...why should I have to download these 200 add-ins to Firefox? Maybe I think THESE should be the norm? Tabbed browsing to one person might be the norm while one of the add-ins at the following link might be a norm for someone else. https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&numpg=&category=All Maybe you can explain why there are 200 add-ons for Firefox? Maybe jane thinks that one of those add-ons should be the norm? Why should she have to add it on? You still haven't answered my questions, either of you. So does IE have: 1. Tabbed browsing? Yes 2. Customizeable toolbars? Yes 3. W3 Standards support? Yes 4. Ability to have extensions/add-ons? Yes 5. Ability to run with out ActiveX? Yes 6. Popup Blocker? Yes 7. RSS support? Yes 8. Themes? Yes 9. Better cookie management? Yes 10. Improved speed? Yes You just need an add-on for 3 of the above. For the record, do I wish IE had tabbed browsing already included? No, as I don't even use the tabs in Firefox. They are annoying and take up real estate. I like my tabs showing in the taskbar. (which IS included in IE without an addon) |
| #7 By 22601 (69.194.226.220) at 12/15/2004 3:59:01 PM |
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In my view the biggest problem with IE is that Microsoft stopped improving it: IE4, IE5, and IE6 were good browsers when they came out -- in my view, the best -- but now it's almost 2005, and IE6 has been standing still since 2001. (Well, okay, it was tweaked a bit for Windows XP.) But while IE6 has been standing still, its competitors have caught up to it, and surpassed it, and are continuing to forge ahead, while IE will continue to remain stagnant until 2006 (or later), when Longhorn comes out. And when Longhorn does come out, the improved IE will (according to Microsoft) NOT be available for current versions of Windows, leaving most of Microsoft's customers in the lurch.
I use Firefox because today it is the browser that best suits my needs. And I think that a lot of other people would benefit from using it, so I would urge people to give it a try. However, I am hoping that the major impact of Firefox will not be that it becomes an IE-killer, but rather that it becomes enough of a threat to IE's dominance that Microsoft will get off its butt and start innovating again. I want more than a great browser that meets my needs: I want serious competion that will result in better browsers for everyone. |
| #8 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/15/2004 4:24:36 PM |
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"the improved IE will (according to Microsoft) NOT be available for current versions of Windows, leaving most of Microsoft's customers in the lurch."
Microsoft is offering security releases for their customers. Not advanced features. If you want the latest and greatest, you should upgrade. MS is here for a profit. Why should they invest in tabbed browsing updates for someone using IE 4 on Windows 98? Even Firefox doesn't support Windows 95 users. Why is Firefox alienating Windows 95 users? Firefox currently supports Windows 98. How long will they support Windows 98? Do you know of any commitment to do so? And they are only supporting the latest Mac OS's: Mac OS X 10.1.x Mac OS X 10.2.x and later What about my Mac OS8? And how long will they support my OS X 10.1.x? This post was edited by AWBrian on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 16:25. |
| #9 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/15/2004 4:32:14 PM |
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The definition of browser seems to be changing these days. My impression of a web browser was one that allowed users to browse the web and to do so in a secure manner. Does every browser needs a "Lexus" feature set?
Maybe what we need is IE Standard (Mozilla), IE Deluxe (Firefox) and IE Premium (Netscape). And then IE Standard would support a centralized location for extensions that would allow you to add features that would accumulate to similar feature sets as Deluxe or Premium. I for one don't necessarily need or want a butt load of features. |
| #10 By 3339 (64.160.58.137) at 12/15/2004 4:46:55 PM |
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"Exactly...why should I have to download these 200 add-ins to Firefox?"
You don't have to. They add additional functionality beyond the features I mentioned. Having add-ins is a good thing. Claiming add-ins not developed by Microsoft are a part of IE is idiocy though. Requiring add-ins from third parties for features that are considered base features now is pathetic. So does IE have: 1. Tabbed browsing? NO 2. Customizeable toolbars? Yes 3. W3 Standards support? Yes 4. Ability to have extensions/add-ons? Yes 5. Ability to run with out ActiveX? Yes 6. Popup Blocker? NO 7. RSS support? 8. Themes? Yes 9. Better cookie management? NO 10. Improved speed? Yes "Not advanced features." They aren't advanced features. That's the problem. "Does every browser needs a "Lexus" feature set?" No, but it should be treated as a Corolla if it is one. The problem is you are claiming IE is a Lexus and it's a Corolla. |
| #11 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/15/2004 4:52:40 PM |
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However Soda, did you know that IE has features available that Firefox doesn't? So maybe Firefox is the Corolla as well?
"Claiming add-ins not developed by Microsoft are a part of IE is idiocy though" Um...all the addons available for Firefox are not created by Firefox. What is your point? This post was edited by AWBrian on Wednesday, December 15, 2004 at 16:54. |
| #12 By 3339 (64.160.58.137) at 12/15/2004 5:12:42 PM |
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"However Soda, did you know that IE has features available that Firefox doesn't? So maybe Firefox is the Corolla as well? "
Argue that then. Don't claim features that don't exist in IE are there. "Um..all the addons available for Firefox are not created by Firefox. What is your point?" I don't care who creates the add-ins. My point is: there is basic functionality that is NOT present in IE. I am not including FireFox add-in features as FireFox features. I said allowing add-ins is a good feature of both browsers. Claiming add-in features as features of the app though is nonsense. Would you like me to repeat that again? |
| #13 By 22601 (69.194.226.220) at 12/15/2004 7:58:31 PM |
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Reply to #18 "Microsoft is offering security releases for their customers. Not advanced features. If you want the latest and greatest, you should upgrade. MS is here for a profit. Why should they invest in tabbed browsing updates for someone using IE 4 on Windows 98? Even Firefox doesn't support Windows 95 users. Why is Firefox alienating Windows 95 users? Firefox currently supports Windows 98. How long will they support Windows 98? Do you know of any commitment to do so?"
"If you want the latest and greatest, you should upgrade". This is not a philosophy that Microsoft held when it was striving to become the browser market leader. IE4, which came out with Win98, worked on Win95 as well. IE5, which came out with Win 2000, worked on Win95 and Win98 as well. Ditto with IE 5.5, and with 6.0. Only with XP SP2 did this stop: Microsoft basically abandoned half its customers. Do you believe that this approach will help it retain its users? As for Firefox's lack of support of Win95. You have to draw the line somewhere. Win95 is used by about .3% of the population, a tiny number. In contrast, Win98 is used by about 10%, and therefore support of Win98 users is important to Firefox's ability to gain market share. Do you think that Microsoft's approach will help it retain its users? Anyway, rather than arguing about this, we should really just wait and see how people react to Firefox, and to see how this affects Microsoft's interest in making competitive products. It should be interesting. |
| #14 By 20505 (216.102.144.11) at 12/15/2004 10:31:42 PM |
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gentlemen,
i for one would prefer that firefox (my browser of choice) remain an "also ran". this makes it much less likely to be the target of the nefarious forces that seek to “pop-up”, “infect” and otherwise destroy my surfing experience. this is one situation where being different and smaller is definitely better. as has been copiously noted on this site, the big guys are targets and the little guys fly under the radar. i guarantee that the hype surrounding firefox will lead to a firefox specific exploit just for the exposure that such an exploit would generate. mark my words you open sourcers! |
| #15 By 11888 (64.230.10.242) at 12/15/2004 10:58:30 PM |
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Firstly, obviously you're all drunk.
Secondly, the reason IE has stagnated is because they're all playing grab-ass and having money fights at Microsoft. I thought I mentioned this already. "I finally realized that being grateful to my body was key to giving more love to myself." - Oprah Winfrey, O Magazine |
| #16 By 2960 (156.80.64.153) at 12/16/2004 12:43:35 PM |
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#6,
"What does Firefox have to offer that IE can't offer?" Well, for now at least, 1300+ less Spyware Infections and ~260 fewer System Re-Images due to Spyware. That's a pretty good start. Like the man said. No Active X BS. TL |
| #17 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 12/16/2004 12:55:37 PM |
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"What does Firefox have to offer that IE can't offer?"
Why do you even ask? None of our answers are good enough for you anyway. Its obvious that Firefox has nothing to offer YOU that IE can't offer. Why do you waste so much energey arguing about this worn out topic with people? |
| #18 By 2960 (156.80.64.153) at 12/16/2004 1:14:47 PM |
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#27,
The free version of Opera is ad-supported. It's not the ad-supported part that's a problem, but the fact that the term "Ad-Supported" has been abused by just about every software peddler on the planet that wants to cram spyware onto your computer. I think this hurts Opera. I do not believe Opera uses Spyware as part of it's Ad-support, but an awful lot of stuff does these days and people are fed up with it. TL |
| #19 By 13030 (198.22.121.120) at 12/16/2004 4:48:51 PM |
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31: Why do you waste so much energey arguing about this worn out topic with people?
What else are the ActiveWin Microsoft zealots supposed to do? ;-) |
| #20 By 8556 (12.217.111.74) at 12/17/2004 12:19:31 AM |
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If you want Firefox features in IE just download NetCaptor. It runs on IE but removes the bugs. IT has been doing so long before Firefox was in beta. I wonder why MS hasn't purchased the small company and added the code directly to IE. NetCaptor really is nice. I use both it and Firefox and prefer NetCaptor as it works with IE only sites.
http://www.netcaptor.com |
| #21 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/17/2004 1:04:47 PM |
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"What else are the ActiveWin Microsoft zealots supposed to do? ;-) "
Prevent the spread of FUD from the ActiveWin Anti-Microsoft zealot readers ;-) |
| #22 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/17/2004 1:05:47 PM |
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"Well, for now at least, 1300+ less Spyware Infections and ~260 fewer System Re-Images due to Spyware.
That's a pretty good start. Like the man said. No Active X BS. " Hmmm...not on my IE6 SP2 system. No ActiveX enabled here. Next? |
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