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| Time: 12:59 EST/17:59 GMT | News Source: ActiveWin.com | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
There's now an MSN Toolbar for Microsoft Office Outlook, the MSN Deskbar in the Windows taskbar, and an MSN Toolbar that works in both Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer. With Toolbars in these three places, you can start your search and find your pages more quickly than ever before. MSN Deskbar includes the Desktop Search feature, which lets you search your computer as easily as you search the Web. A single keyword search will find anything on your computer—even within e-mail messages and their attachments. And Desktop Search is so fast that it makes organizing your documents, messages, and other items into folders practically unnecessary. | ||
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| #1 By 2960 (156.80.64.153) at 12/13/2004 1:21:51 PM |
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Mandatory IE integration? I'll pass.
TL |
| #2 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/13/2004 3:16:23 PM |
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FWIW, I found this the hard way. If your Outlook is NOT open during the initial indexing, it will not find your emails, etc.
From the help: "Note: Outlook and Outlook Express items can be indexed only when those programs are running. If Outlook or Outlook Express was not running during the original indexing process, your e-mail messages and other items may not have been indexed. To ensure that your e-mail messages are indexed, start Outlook or Outlook Express." I am rerunning the indexing now. However, other than Outlook items, it works pretty darn awesome, and I love the browser interface with results, as well as the taskbar integration and Outlook toolbar integration. The new MSN Toolbar has some nice new additions as well, including My Spaces, for blogging, etc. |
| #3 By 8556 (12.217.173.227) at 12/13/2004 3:37:23 PM |
| TechLarry: I downloaded it with Firefox and installed from my hard drive. Just because it may integrate with IE doesn't mean that you have to use IE. |
| #4 By 415 (68.54.28.118) at 12/13/2004 10:24:20 PM |
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I've been using Lookout for months and I've been waiting for this. MSN Desktop Search is awesome so far, and I think that if you give it a chance most of you will like it.
TL - I don't use Firefox, but I've tried it long enough to know something about it. I also know that there are some extensions for MSN Desktop Search, one of which is a Firefox plugin ... http://blog.ryanware.com/archives/2004/11/29/msn-search-beta-search-plugin-for-mozilla/ |
| #5 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 12/14/2004 3:27:07 AM |
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#10 Normally I'd let one of our friendly Microsoft zealots (e.g. AWBrian, Parkker etc.) respond with how innovative Microsoft are in releasing this, but I'll let the biggest gumby answer this one:
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/msn_toolbar_suite_preview.asp "Then, in October 2004, Google released a buggy Google Desktop Search beta just two months after the company heard about Microsoft's plans to release a beta MSN desktop search tool by the end of 2004. Google Desktop Search "enables users to search their email, files, web history, and chats" using a task tray-based icon, from which you launch a local Web site that resembles the Google Web site. Search results are presented in Google's standard Spartan style, and you can also search both the Web and local files simultaneously (a feature first announced for Longhorn). The most notable feature of Google Desktop Search, so far, has been its widely-publicized security bugs." "And then consider that competitors such as Apple and Google tried to preempt Microsoft by announcing similar features, and yet were both unable to deliver final versions before Microsoft simply shipped the MSN Toolbar Suite. It's astonishing, both that Microsoft was able to make this happen so quickly, and that it works so well." Note that whilst he correctly calls Apple's Spotlight and Google's Desktop Search beta products, he somehow neglected the fact that the MSN Toolbar Suite is a beta itself. So it seems that both Apple and Google beat Microsoft in releasing a beta version. What's more interesting is that he calls Microsoft's efforts astonishing, even though, according to him, Google managed to release their Desktop Search within 2 months! I think it's more astonishing to see what Google were able to produce in those 2 months! |
| #6 By 2960 (156.80.64.153) at 12/14/2004 8:19:31 AM |
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Bob/Lou,
Thanks! TL |
| #7 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/14/2004 10:16:24 AM |
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"#11 By chris_kabuki (577 Posts) at 12/14/2004 3:27:07 AM [Delete | Nullify]
#10 Normally I'd let one of our friendly Microsoft zealots (e.g. AWBrian, Parkker etc.) " Heh, that coming from an OSS zealot and shill. :P This post was edited by AWBrian on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 10:16. |
| #8 By 3339 (64.160.58.137) at 12/14/2004 1:21:17 PM |
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"#11 Chris, Index Server has been a service on Windows since Windows 2000. While the interface for searching is a bit poor, its built right into Windows XP. "
It's slow, sucks, and has a poor interface. Clearly, MS felt it was inadequate if it released something that does similar things. "I myself have written a very simple VB.NET front ends that make many of my co-workers ecstatic since it can search 10's of thousands of documents in less than a second once the indexes are built. " Good for you. "I even have an Autocad plug-in running on one of our servers indexing thousands of Autocad files for our Facililities Department." Good for AutoDesk. "I've also been using Lookout for almost a year. I believe Lookout is one of the core technologies used in the MSN Toolbar." Good for Lookout. "So, to summarize, you are just an ignorant hatefilled biased jerk who is amazingly unsuited to comment on any Microsoft technology." How does anything you say invalidate anything that Chris said? Chris said PT is a moron for claiming that a MS beta beats an Apple or Google beta when it clearly doesn't. Chris says even PT admits that GDS was turned around quicker than this. So where is the ignorance? Where is the bias? What makes him "unsuited to comment"? |
| #9 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 12/14/2004 7:56:47 PM |
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#13 "Heh, that coming from an OSS zealot and shill. :P"
Just because I don't worship Microsoft like you guys do, and just because I'm not afraid to criticise them does not make me an OSS zealot nor a shill, I criticise both proprietary and OS software. #14 "So, to summarize, you are just an ignorant hatefilled biased jerk who is amazingly unsuited to comment on any Microsoft technology." Once again you come out showing that you are incapable of reading and comprehension. Rather than rewrite almost the same thing soda wrote, I'll just quote him: "How does anything you say invalidate anything that Chris said? Chris said PT is a moron for claiming that a MS beta beats an Apple or Google beta when it clearly doesn't. Chris says even PT admits that GDS was turned around quicker than this. So where is the ignorance? Where is the bias? What makes him "unsuited to comment"? " |
| #10 By 3339 (64.160.58.137) at 12/14/2004 8:18:38 PM |
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"Obviously you've never used it. Your criticisms of Index Server are amazingly ignorant. As usual."
I do use it and my cricitisms are based on that real world use. Have you ever done any indexing with a non-MS product? I have never heard anyone, absolutely, anyone who as ever suggested that Microsoft's Indexing does a good job.... except for you, of course. This post was edited by sodajerk on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 20:19. |
| #11 By 3339 (64.160.58.137) at 12/14/2004 9:11:09 PM |
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You routinely dismiss Inq, why shouldn't I?
It's a pathetic review, but I would like to quote the next few sentences for you (despite the review ultimately being favorable): "Now, you may be laughing at me here, because you've already tried the Indexing Service. It's easy to find: the standard Windows search includes an option to enable it. And if you've tried that, eagerly anticipating what Microsoft would probably call 'a greatly enhanced searching experience', you will have reached the conclusion that the Indexing Service doesn't work. With Indexing Service turned off, searching for a file on a windows PC is glacially slow. And, with Indexing Service turned on, searching for a file is still glacially slow." |
| #12 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/15/2004 8:53:59 AM |
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"I'm not afraid to criticise them does not make me an OSS zealot nor a shill, I criticise both proprietary and OS software. "
As do I. So now what is your point? |
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