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PHP 5.0 goes for Microsoft's ASP-dot-Net jugular | |
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| Time: 09:22 EST/14:22 GMT | News Source: the inquirer | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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THE PEOPLE at Zend Technologies quietly announced last week the availability of the long awaited PHP version 5. The rise of PHP - the open source, server-side web programming language that took the Net by storm starting in 1998 with its 3.0 release, seems to be unstoppable, if one believes the usage charts at php.net. The PHP growth could be compared to the relentless growth curve of Apache, the open source web server of fame which now runs more than two thirds of the sites on the Web, according to the Netcraft Web Servers survey. That's hardly surprising, given that Apache and PHP work very well together. | ||
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| #1 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 7/18/2004 1:31:54 PM |
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I assess that software development deserves better than this...a more thoughtful analysis.
Direct comparisons with .NET? The .NET Framework? Preposterous. .NET is part of a complete system of systems, and the PHP programming language doesn't even come close. In the hilarity corner...I know quite a few PHP fans...they bum smokes from my crew all the time, live at home, and look and act like guys that have little ambition. Nice enough people, but not even close to the level of crew that work like madmen - just to out-do themselves. Around them my guys are polite, but it is like watching a group of major league ball players become quiet when approached by a press that has yet to see a baseball. My guys never engage with "the other side" in any comparison; they just display a confidence that is based upon "knowing" that they can accomplish any task for supported clients - and do so to the benefit of both client and developers. Watching and leading systems engineers that are as aware of the code as developers and developers as aware of systems is why .NET is so powerful. We lent them space in one of the production rooms we prepared within one of our buildings...extending our resources to them to get them up and running. They couldn't even conceive of engineering such a space for themselves and that is the point - they do not seem to look at the totality of a solution, just parts of it - like some kind of ugly quilt. We watched as their managers spent investor funds on space - a look that only partially captured what we had built - the intent was there, but the execution was incomplete. This is exactly my point - comparing one part of one thing to an integrated system for building and sustaining solutions for people and business...? My God, we have more charity initiatives than they have clients. .NET makes that possible, and comparing any language to the completness of .NET is simply unfortunate. To the guys bumming smokes from my crew: go back to school; finish; intern; aspire <to anything> and for goodness sake, move out of your Mom's house. |
| #2 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 7/18/2004 1:37:12 PM |
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Agreed. Comparing PHP to .NET is laughable, at best.
As far as PHP vs ASP.NET, I can only say that those who think PHP is superior to ASP.NET almost certainly have never used ASP.NET. ASP.NET is certainly more complex than PHP. It has a steeper learning curve. But once you've learned the basics and gotten over a few conceptual hurdles, there is no turning back. ASP.NET stands alone in the world of web programming right now. |
| #3 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 7/18/2004 6:27:39 PM |
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Hi Tizzyd, I think a fundamental point is being missed....NET is for all companies of all sizes and most especially accessible to the SMB market.
In fact, the largest companies in the world have shifted their operational focus - they have divided into really small units, and empowered small teams with not only budget, but real decision making power. They are doing all of this to provide themselves with the kind of agility that only SMB's have. .NET lends itself to this granularization extremely well and as much or as little of it as one needs or wants may be enabled at any time - scaling up and down as required. It also lends itself the the partner channel really well - allowing small providers and to work with even the biggest companies - you'd be shocked to know of how many little divisions people work with and equally so at the sophistication deployed bby tiny companies with huge profit margins. I think that .NET is a big part of this kind of success and will be more important to businesses of all kinds and sizes. |
| #4 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 7/18/2004 7:09:32 PM |
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#3 - It's not a question of .NET having more functionality (but yes, it does), it's a question of ASP.NET having a far superior overall architecture.
ASP.NET it a truely event driven model where the interface is kept 100% seperate from the implementation. PHP is neither. Writing an application using ASP.NET results in a more maintainable, more manageable, more feature rich site. |
| #5 By 135 (208.186.90.168) at 7/18/2004 11:55:58 PM |
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Python is on the rise? Says who?
I understood the appeal of PHP over ASP, however today with ASP.NET I really don't understand the appeal other than people just don't want to learn something better. ASP.NET is an interesting technology in that it's scalable from the smallest website on up to the largest. |
| #6 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 7/19/2004 12:14:19 AM |
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I'm just relaying what "we" see - obvisouly, we don't see it all, but what we do see does not present a strong case for PHP.
More...I get about 100 applicants each month. I intern about three of them and hire two. The guys that favor PHP and OSS in general don't even apply - not because they'd be unwelcome, or be required to switch - we have plenty to support that requires these skills. No characterizations at all...I'm just sharing what I see. What I also see is this...take guys with 30 years in the Unices - professors and double masters in CS - who have never seen a Windows box, much less .NET These same guys are all over the IDE in a week and kicking out amazing applications in two. I'd pay a cool 10 grand to any one, or any company that could successfully hire them away from us - provided they had to switch back to the Unices/Linuces, or any IDE other than VS .NET 2003. They'd tell you to take a hike - you see, once you let a person loose to explore what can be done, and they see it running for people and they see those same people do amazing things with that work, it is like nothing you can imagine. That is a lot harder in any other environment. Business people don't really know or give a flip about how it is done, but they do know how it runs and how it works for, or against them. Not in any other system, I have we ever been able to do so much so quickly as in .NET we can write in whatever we like, interface with whatever systems external companies run and so much more - we can split the presentations layer in such fine layers, manipulate view state in amazing ways and re-use it all over and over again. It's just a lot harder and much less fun in other systems. |
| #7 By 9589 (141.156.125.130) at 7/19/2004 6:20:06 AM |
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ActiveWin, unless you are going to establish a separate category, "Tech Press Jokes" how about if we agree NOT to post anymore goofy articles from the so-called Inquirer?
Then, we'll agree not to have to waste time reading and/or commenting on them! |
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