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Got Linux? Many companies say no | |
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| Time: 09:04 EST/14:04 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Adrian Latinak | ||
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For all the hoopla that has surrounded Linux in the last year, businesses aren't flocking to adopt the open-source operating system in the near future. "Areas like supply-chain management software and Linux servers rank near the bottom of spending priorities," wrote Goldman Sachs analysts Rick Sherlund and Laura Conigliaro. The results brought "some surprises from our IT managers, with Linux...virtually not registering on our survey." | ||
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| #1 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 11/7/2001 11:08:43 AM |
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What a pleasant surprise... an article on News.com that isn't anti-Microsoft.
:-) |
| #2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 11/7/2001 11:24:01 AM |
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#3. That's because most of the pro-Linux articles see are fictional. :(
Gartner is saying Linux has less than 10% of marketshare, compared to IDC's fictional 30% and for once I think Gartner is closer to the truth. Gartner based their numbers off surveying corporate server deployments, whereas IDC tries to calculate "shipped" product and estimate the number of web downloads. Considering IDC counts every copy of TurboLinux delivered with a Linksys NIC card as a Linux installation, it's not hard to believe they are fictional numbers. Look at the Netcraft survey: http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/index-200109.html They're showing Linux composes about 30% of the webservers out there in the world. That's the strongest market for Linux... web servers. Microsoft makes up 50% of the web server market. But when you begin to consider all the database, file/print, messaging, application, etc servers in the world... the ones which are behind firewalls and not counted by Netcraft. The markets dominated by Microsoft, Novell, Sun, HP, IBM. I would be surprised if Linux has even 5% of that market. The company I work for is fairly good sized. We have perhaps 200 servers for both production and development. Only six of these are externally facing internet web servers. I just use those numbers to point out the vast number of servers Netcraft doesn't count. RMD yesterday pointed out the bias in reporting. Whenever you see an article talking about Linux they always quote the fictional IDC numbers showing large marketshare, fantastic growth. But they don't quote the other sources that show the IDC figures are clearly fictional. Why? Because by hyping up Linux, they get everybody to believe that "Wow, it's growing! I better get on the bandwagon." I'm glad to start seeing some articles that point out reality and wipe out the hype. Want me to predict the reaction on /. to this article? Ok, here goes... news.com is obviously a shill for Microsoft. Sergio G. Non is a Microsoft sycophant! I'll bet Sergio kisses Gates butt for breakfast and ... well you get the idea. |
| #3 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 11/7/2001 11:32:56 AM |
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Oh and if you don't believe my analysis of the typical /. reaction... Just look at these threads. I can't believe the number of times I've been called a Microsoft shill. It's like the Linux crowd can't come up with any technical reasons to defend their position. They can't believe anybody could possible disagree with the opinion of a college student with no IT experience. So each and every time they resort to name calling.
It's always Windoze, Micro$oft, Micros~1, etc. People who like MS products are shills, sycophants, corporate whores... people who defend MS positions are astoturfers, MS employees, etc. It's so routine it's almost laughable. It's part of the joy of being a troll when you can predict the immediate response of your target. :) |
| #4 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 11/7/2001 5:24:02 PM |
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While I wouldn't say that "most" Linux reports showing growth and adoption are fiction, certainly a good chunk are.
The problem is not that the actual reports are fictional (although some have been shown to be), the problem, as I've mentioned before, is the unequal representation of the various platforms in the media. If there are 20 "adoption" stories a day, and 15 are Windows, and 5 are Linux, but the only stories were hear are the Linux ones, of course we are all going to get the impression it's kickin' butt. Oh well... |
| #5 By 1845 (65.0.207.79) at 11/7/2001 9:34:19 PM |
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I've used Solaris, HPUX, RedHat Linux and Mandrake. I've used both KDE and Gnome. I've installed 'em myself and used machines installed by "professionals". Nevertheless, I still quite prefer Windows.
As a developer, I can say that until I use a tool that approaches the power and ease VisualStudio, I won't think too hard about converting either. |
| #6 By 116 (66.68.170.138) at 11/7/2001 10:43:33 PM |
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Just because its free doesn't mean its good. On the same token just because its created by amateurs and volunteers.
My experience with Open Source software has been less than a pleasing experience. |
| #7 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 11/8/2001 12:08:35 AM |
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Hmm, I'm having no problems with WinXP. Quite impressed actually.
Linux on the other hand doesn't impress me. Yeah it did back in '92. But times have changed so much since then. |
| #8 By 2332 (129.21.145.80) at 11/8/2001 1:45:10 AM |
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I'm a professional developer and I've had a Linux box of one kind or another running since 1997. I've tried it, and I still use it, but mostly for cross platform applications testing and for "screwin' around." I find it fun to use the OS, simply because I like to discover new things and learn new tools. The problem I have with Linux is that it tends to be a full time job to get the system to a point where it's productive. In Windows, it's all done for me. Since I consider the OS a tool, not a project, I prefer Windows.
Oh, and as far as "drag and drop" programming, not sure what people have against making applications development easier, but anybody who uses Visual Studio to develop knows it's by far the best IDE on the market. Hands down. I assume you're talking about Visual Basic, which is just one way to develop applications for Windows. It's actually a great RAD tool for many tasks, and I use it often. Of course it has it's limitations, and I don't think any educated person would dispute that. But it's not the "crap" people often label it as. For countless tasks, doing it in VB is a far better choice than any other language out there. With VB, Microsoft brought real programming to the masses, and they should get credit for that. I also write C and C++ applications often, using Visual Studio, and I use the resource editor to create dialogs and window layouts for my application. It saves me hours in development time. Not to mention the world class debugger in Visual Studio. Not sure how that's any less "hardcore" than sitting in front of VI, and writing line after line of painstaking print statements to see variable contents debuggin an application, or taking hours to layout a window using coordinates or some archaic window layout object hierarchy. If there is one thing you have to give credit to Microsoft for, it's their developer support and tools. There is no company or organization that even comes close. |
| #9 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 11/8/2001 10:36:37 AM |
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Sometime when I have some free time I'll take a look at IBM's tool.
I do have history with IBM and have seen some of their other software products. Generally speaking they tend to develop IDE's which require you to put more work into something than just doing it in vi... which sort of defeats the purpose. Maybe they've improved dramatically in the past 4 years. Hard to say. They have to get rid of the Mainframe mentality first with the cryptic messages. Oh wait a minute. The cost for WebSphere Studio Application Developer is $3,500. Ye gads, I can buy a MSDN Universal subscription for every one of our developers for that price. |
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