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Apple Safari browser for Windows already exists with millions of users | |
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| Time: 09:59 EST/14:59 GMT | News Source: Mac Daily News | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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"Literally millions of people use a big chunk of Safari on Windows. It's the browser built into iTunes. It works today," John Allsopp writes for The Sydney Morning Herald. "So arguably the quickest, most standards compliant browser around, which by the way is based on the open source KHTML rendering engine, is available right now on Windows. And to use iTunes, you need to use it. Apple contributes to the KHTML project, so many of its innovations will find their way into that browser. On the Mac, Windows and UNIX variants." | ||
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| #1 By 9549 (68.39.216.79) at 6/5/2004 11:17:03 AM |
| So if I use ITunes how come I`m not allowed to choose which browser I want to use? I guess there is more than one monopoly. Just another closed piece of software. Another loss of choice for the computing community. Thanks Mac your closer to becoming Windows than you think. |
| #2 By 10802 (66.131.128.209) at 6/5/2004 3:25:09 PM |
| Is there any way to install QuickTime without iTunes? I don't even like QuickTime, but I sometimes need to play MOV files. |
| #3 By 2459 (69.22.124.228) at 6/5/2004 3:32:57 PM |
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Go here: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone/
Select your platform. Click the "Download Quicktime" button (No need to enter any info). |
| #4 By 2459 (69.22.124.228) at 6/5/2004 3:37:46 PM |
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There's also QT Alternative
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1049831315 |
| #5 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 6/5/2004 10:17:19 PM |
| Unfortunately, the premise is simply wrong. iTMS uses a simple XML parser only. iTunes for Windows does not include WebCore (Apple's modified KHTML rendering engine). |
| #6 By 12071 (203.217.24.170) at 6/5/2004 11:12:17 PM |
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#20 As Halcyon-X12 said, the answer you're looking for is CHOICE. Here have a look at the definition of choice:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=choice 1. The act of choosing; selection. 2. The power, right, or liberty to choose; option. 3. One that is chosen. 4. A number or variety from which to choose: a wide choice of styles and colors. 5. The best or most preferable part. 6. Care in choosing. 7. An alternative. 10 Web Browsers and 3-4 Office Suites are made available to you to choose from because we are all individuals, we all want and like different things. So whilst IE may be the only choice for you, someone else may want FireFox whilst a third person will want to use Safari. And all three of you should be able to choose which Web Browser you have installed (i.e. choice). So YOU may not have multiple personalities, and hence you will only choose what you want, someone else will more than likely want something different to you. |
| #7 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 6/6/2004 12:23:20 AM |
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kabuki "3-4 Office Suites are made available to you to choose from because we are all individuals, we all want and like different things"
Kabuki, have you ever worked in an office? We do NOT all want different things. We want COMPATIBILITY with our coworkers. You speak from a consumer point of view to your detriment. The world is a BUSINESS world. |
| #8 By 12071 (203.217.24.170) at 6/6/2004 6:57:57 AM |
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#23 "have you ever worked in an office?"
Yes, for many years, get over yourself sometime soon, this discussion wasn't limited to only office workers! Most offices have scripted installs of whatever OS and applications that are required for that organisation (with additional applications given on a user by user or team by team basis), therefore these office workers in general do not get to dictate what office suite or web browser comes installed (and in many work places it actually isn't allowed to install additional applications manually). "We do NOT all want different things." Are you speaking for everyone now? Wow, love the ego trip! The fact that there are so many different office suites and web browsers available proves beyond reasonable doubt that WE DO ALL WANT DIFFERENT THINGS! "We want COMPATIBILITY with our coworkers." Absolutely correct! Which is why many of the other office suites available are only used by individuals or in very limited use - because there is no real standard to abide by (other than the "standard" that Word, Excel etc abide by). That's why there has been a push for a while now to try and create a standard file format - so that compatibility isn't harmed and users are given the choice of what office suite they want to use. Note that this won't change what office suite office workers use - they will continue to use the company's standard one, but individuals will be able to choose what they want to use without worrying about compatibility issues. Whether that happens is to be seen - given that Office is MS cashcow, I highly doubt they will want to do anything that will take market share away from Office. "You speak from a consumer point of view to your detriment." Yes I do, because at home I have a choice of what applications I run, whilst at work I use what is available to me. So whilst I would LIKE for there to be more choice at work, I can appreciate and understand that it's not easy for a company to have a help desk support team supporting 10 different web browsers and 4 different office suites because a few people wanted something different - it's far easuer to support a known build with known applications. |
| #9 By 135 (208.186.90.168) at 6/6/2004 11:41:34 AM |
| cto - That's a good point. Why can't the user choose which browser to use in iTunes? |
| #10 By 2201 (213.122.79.220) at 6/6/2004 12:43:55 PM |
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#23 and #25
There's nothing wrong with choices, even in the business world, after all, not all business are created equal, so it's clearly far better to have a CHOICE of applications such as office suites. It's up to the individual business to standidise on one particular application and to make sure that everyone is running the same thing on all machines. But of course choice makes it easier for the people who handle the budgets to choose what they want on their systems depending on what they can afford. Which is why having several browsers and office suites available is actually for the good of everyone. #26 Probably most likely down to Apple coding it that way, you'll have to ask Apple that. This post was edited by testman on Sunday, June 06, 2004 at 12:46. |
| #11 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 6/6/2004 4:30:13 PM |
| Why can't people read? iTunes doesn't use a browser, nevermind Safari... it is a simple XML parser only. The content is coded strictly in XML which allows it to be digested by all sorts of apps and web sites (which there are many of both), but ... no, you can't choose your browser, because it doesn't use one. WebCore is not "built in" or installed with iTunes. |
| #12 By 135 (208.186.90.168) at 6/6/2004 9:15:51 PM |
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sodajerk - Can I choose which XML parser to use? Do I have to use the one provided by Apple? If I already have an XML parser on my machine, why would I want to install another one?
Actually I suspect you are wrong on this. There may very well be an XML parser, but XML is not represented in a human presentable format unless it's transformed through XSL into HTML... which is displayed with a browser. |
| #13 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 6/6/2004 11:22:00 PM |
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Uh puhleease, soda. Yes, it is XML. Yes, it can be digested by other apps. There are a number of them already. It can be digested by web sites. There are a number of them already.
Why should Apple give someone the ability to alter application internals if the XML data can be digested from any other source, your own parser in this case? They shouldn't... this has been Microsoft's argument for the last couple years... It doesn't matter if our software is still not opened because the data is no longer constrained by the app. Such is the case with iTunes. |
| #14 By 135 (208.186.90.168) at 6/6/2004 11:47:45 PM |
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sodajerk - Why is questioning your hypocrisy anametha?
I still want to know why I can't choose to use Microsoft's XML parser and HTML rendering engine with iTunes. Not that I have any interesting in installing or using iTunes, but it's an interesting intellectual debate to have. |
| #15 By 12071 (203.217.24.170) at 6/7/2004 9:01:13 AM |
| #27 Now tell that to Mr Dee (who thinks having a choice isn't logical) and mooresa56 (who speaks for all of us and says that we do NOT all want different things). If it were up to me, all your standard applications (office suites, web browsers etc.) would have their file formats etc. standardised so it would be up to the end user to chose whatever application they want to use without having to compromise due to incompatibility issues. Hence if I write a document in Word, you shouldn't need to have Word or Word Viewer to be able to read it! |
| #16 By 19992 (164.214.4.61) at 6/7/2004 12:25:56 PM |
| #35 don't forget RTF. |
| #17 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 6/7/2004 12:38:26 PM |
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Soda, same reason you cannot have a different help viewer on Windows... The application only "browses" one type of content: Apple content. Why can't Apple control its application internals? When I complain about Microsoft, I don't complain about Help files and/or other internal/self references... Of course, they should be able to use their own systems to digest their own content in their own applications. The question arises when the application can interface with other data... In this case, there is no other data to interface with.
The question should be: why do you want to use a different engine? It doesn't open a separate app, it is one app... Do you want two separate apps? Do you want to modify the layout? If so, you can. Are features that are in the content not accesible because of Apple's parsing? No, Apple controls the parsing and the content and everything is fully functional. You are not being locked out of any features or functions using the app as is. There are no other features to be accessed by using another option. Another question would be: do you think Apple hasn't done enough to develop APIs for iTunes? The XML format is fully digestable... I can point you to several web sites and apps which are doing so. There is an SDK for iTunes plug-ins for the Mac. There is an SDK for iTunes Visualizations for the Mac. iTunes is fully scriptable with AppleScript on the Mac. There is an SDK for iTunes for Windows to create COM interfaces. Apple has provided tools to create links into and out of iTunes... They have developed a way to share and publish playlists... So... we have a use of technology that Microsoft has never been attacked for: using their own software for their own functionality, and there is no functionality that you can't access because of it, and they have provided a number of SDKs to interact with the data, and the data is simple XML which can be digested by all (which is Microsoft's current strategy). Where's the beef? This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, June 07, 2004 at 12:40. |
| #18 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 6/7/2004 1:45:26 PM |
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Here are some links to show that other apps and web sites can be used to display iTMS's XML content:
http://www.neuronwave.com/2003/05/itunes-internal-xml-and-urls-apples.php http://search.cpan.org/src/TSIBLEY/Net-iTMS-0.02/lib/Net/iTMS.pm http://zulutango.org:82/projects/itms/ http://hcsoftware.sourceforge.net/jason-rohrer/itms4all/ http://nslog.com/archives/2003/04/29/itms_links.php http://www.stargeek.com/item/66398.html http://www.burningdoor.com/eric/archives/000363.html |
| #19 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 6/7/2004 1:50:32 PM |
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"Apple fools its userbase by telling them they are not coporate money hungry devils, when thats exactly what they are with extravagant prices they chanrge on their products. "
Of course they are corporate money hungry devils. They just take you out to dinner and make you feel good before they break it off in your.... TL |
| #20 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 6/7/2004 9:13:41 PM |
| #35 Really? Including formatting? Because if it doesn't include formatting then it's only 50% useful. There should be a standard file format for not only the data/content but also the formatting of that data/format. |
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