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OSNews Short Commentary: Will Apple Go .NET? | |
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| Time: 05:41 EST/10:41 GMT | News Source: OS News | Posted By: Joshua Baer | ||
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"According to statistics, Java continues to have the crown of the most used VM-based platform in the industry. However, Microsoft's C# and .NET gain ground every day. While C# might or might not overcome Java in the following years, the fact remains that more and more programmers want the choice of C# among their developer tools. So, where does this situation leave Apple?" Read one person's analysis of Apple's position with respect to .NET. | ||
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| #1 By 12071 (203.217.68.208) at 2/4/2004 7:26:08 AM |
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#1 Please don't insult any programming language by saying it's like VB, least of all Java! VB is in a field of it's very own, yet another wonderful innovation from Microsoft.
"C# and the CLR = Standardized" Not everything, none of the GUI classes are standardised for instance. "Everybody thinks C# and the CLR = MS, yet its actually ECMA and ISO." It *IS* MS, anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. If I write I GUI C# application what non-MS platform can I run it on? None? Maybe if I'm lucky on Linux using Mono (and I do emphasise lucky!!) "Anybody can submit drafts to them wheras you are on your own when it comes to Sun." Nope, you can submit JSR's (Java ) to the JCP (http://www.jcp.org/en/home/index). It's free (as in beer) to join and you can review and comment on any other JSR submitted. "I for one know what basket I like my eggs in." The MS basket we know =) As for this story, I can very easily see .NET becoming basically the ONLY way to develop applications under Windows whereas Java will be predominately used on non-MS platforms, meaning that most bigger businesses will have some mixture of .NET and Java apps. |
| #2 By 531 (66.168.24.214) at 2/4/2004 8:18:23 AM |
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>Not everything, none of the GUI classes are standardised for instance.
The GUI classes aren't part of C# or the CLI, Chris. They're part of the framework. There's a big difference. C# and the CLI are ECMA-standardized, the framework isn't. Chris, your GUI application won't run on a non-MSFT platform because System.Windows.Forms isn't part of the standard, and has to be implemented rather blindly by the developer. (Hell, maybe even make something like System.KDE.Forms, or System.OSX.Forms... doesn't really matter, the dev is still building it from scratch). So, even though Mono has a C# compiler, GUI apps may not run unless there's a specialized replacement for the GUI Classes. This isn't to say that I would *like* to see the framework standardized, or at least, ported to other platforms... we're just not there yet. |
| #3 By 1989 (69.11.240.35) at 2/4/2004 2:04:58 PM |
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"Please don't insult any programming language by saying it's like VB"
If you need a program fast, VB is one of the best. I have found very little that it does not work for. "If I write I GUI C# application what non-MS platform can I run it on? None?" Not completely true. Check out Platform-independent UI (PIGUI) in ROTOR (Shared Source CLI and C# implementation). It allows you to write code for Mac OS X, FreeBSD, and Windows XP. You don't have to be "lucky" to get this to work. |
| #4 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 2/4/2004 2:08:59 PM |
| And Rotor cannot be used for anything besides research. Rotor is not a good way to support your argument; Microsoft specifically hinders it with a license preventing anyone from using it for commercial use. |
| #5 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 2/4/2004 6:39:25 PM |
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#3 "The GUI classes aren't part of C# or the CLI, Chris. They're part of the framework. There's a big difference."
My point exactly! So if the only thing that is standardised is the C# syntax and the CLI what's the big deal of going around saying .NET is more standardised than Java? It is really? So what if Microsoft went to the ECMA first (which is probably the easiest place to get anything standardised given they will standardise things you have a patent for) and then ISO if what's standardised doesn't add up to all that much? Sure Java isn't standardised, in part you can blame Microsoft for this, they were modifying it even when it wasn't open - could you imagine what they'd be doing if it was open!! So obviously Sun wants to protect it's "baby" as much as it can and doesn't want to relinquish control - for that you can blame Sun alone. The point is that with Java, the whole thing is open to the extent that you can write your own vm, all the details are available to you, the ful source code to the full framework is once again available to you, and if you want to contribute to the core framework or core vm then you can do so via the JCP for absolutely free! #4 "The mono project thinks VB is good enough to copy. I think it is very flattering to Microsoft that the coolest OSS project is just cloning .NET onto Linux." Oooh, now it's the coolest OSS project, what was it before? The most popular? The best? "And now this article says Apple should clone .NET onto the Mac." Clone huh =) How about implement/develop? After all they are following a standard. And the Mac *should* get the .NET framework developed for it! By all means! It will give the developers more options and it may also have the positive side effect of the Mac being able to run any current Windows-only application that eventually will be writen for .NET. There is absolutely no reason in the world why .NET shouldn't be developed for as many different platforms as possible - it would just be nice to have as much open/standardised as possible so that you can write more than just CLI applications that you can then share. #5 "If you need a program fast, VB is one of the best" "If you need a program fast,"... that is slow, bloated, unstable, insecure and chews up memory like it's going out of business then ..." VB is one of the best". I agree! And I'm not talking about VB.NET which just seems like a cut down version of C# with the same horrific syntax it's always had! |
| #6 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 2/4/2004 9:52:25 PM |
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#8 What brilliant insight you have. You forgot to add this on the end though:
.NET isn't an open standard. It is closed. |
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