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Munich migration from Windows in Trouble | |
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| Time: 10:59 EST/15:59 GMT | News Source: The Register | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Last year, the city of Munich, Germany opted to go with Linux instead of Microsoft software on more than 14,000 desktop computers. This was seen as a significant setback for Microsoft and a clear sign of Linux' increasing viability. But now the project is in trouble, according to Computerwoche. This Spring, Munich needs to finish a migration plan as well as present a budget for the project. But according to Computerwoche there is not enough money and technical difficulties may result in stalling of the LiMux Project. In particular, smaller software vendors seem to be unable to migrate Munich to Linux, simply because they lack open source knowledge. | ||
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| #1 By 1643 (65.40.197.179) at 1/15/2004 11:30:10 AM |
| LOL |
| #2 By 1643 (65.40.197.179) at 1/15/2004 11:31:01 AM |
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Removed double post...i'm not a troll, i just find it very funny. I hope /. runs a story on it... This post was edited by humor on Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 11:32. |
| #3 By 1643 (65.40.197.179) at 1/15/2004 12:53:55 PM |
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#6 What, I was poking fun at the debacle...not the bastard media outlet.
Anyway, I have no problem that companies run non-ms OS's, it's just that this made no economic sense to do so in this instance...and it was purely a "fight da man" political rhetoric that was quite immature. IMHO. |
| #4 By 7797 (63.76.44.252) at 1/15/2004 2:01:02 PM |
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http://www.computerwoche.de/index.cfm?pageid=254&artid=56749&type=detail&kw=suse
Here is the article the Register is referring to. For those of you who read German can make up their mind how much of a debacle it really is(n't). Nowhere in the article does it state that there are any delays nor that it is running over budget. They are describing challenges, but not problems. Nowhere does it say that the project is in trouble, not even in the register article. Its activewin that chose a false and misleading headline. Only time will tell how much of a success this migration will be or not. Don't waste your time judging the project before its complete. Migrations from anything to anything present challenges and difficulties. This is non-news. This post was edited by tgnb on Thursday, January 15, 2004 at 14:04. |
| #5 By 37 (64.109.31.106) at 1/15/2004 2:31:15 PM |
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#10 By tgnb (275 Posts) at 1/15/2004 2:01:02 PM wrote:
"They are describing challenges, but not problems." The German article states "Also technical problems are to be still solved." #10 By tgnb (275 Posts) at 1/15/2004 2:01:02 PM wrote: "Nowhere does it say that the project is in trouble, not even in the register article." The Register article states "But now the project is in trouble," I think someone forgot to READ the articles! |
| #6 By 135 (208.186.90.91) at 1/15/2004 5:04:29 PM |
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Ohwell, this is pretty much what I predicted would happen.
Open source solutions for widely used programs, but there are thousands upon thousands of solutions out there which will only run on Windows. The end result will be the same thing that happened back when I supported OS/2 and Win95 came out. We had to dual boot or have two desktops for every user. When that situation happens, you've lost all cost savings and instead start going the other way. What they should have done is put forward a success strategy. What is it that they wanted to accomplish, and then worked backwards from that to identify the technology options available to them. Instead their goal simply involved limiting the technology options available to them. Seems like a silly way to run a business. It's like starting up a trucking company and declaring you won't be using Semi tractor-trailer rigs because they're too expensive and you can get cargo vans for 1/10th the cost. |
| #7 By 7797 (64.244.109.161) at 1/15/2004 9:47:09 PM |
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["They are describing challenges, but not problems."
The German article states "Also technical problems are to be still solved." ] Ok maybe i did not use the right words. Technical problems to be solved in a project DOES NOT equate to the project itself having problems. So they are saying technical problems have to be solved but they do not say that the project is having problems or that it is in trouble. [The Register article states "But now the project is in trouble," ] No the Register article states "But now the project is in trouble, according to Computerwoche." The Register is reporting (incorrectly) what the other publication is stating. It is not the Register stating that the project is in trouble. |
| #8 By 37 (68.185.170.82) at 1/15/2004 10:32:59 PM |
| ----yawn---- |
| #9 By 1845 (67.161.212.73) at 1/16/2004 12:28:40 AM |
| You know, I'd just love to have a piece of software as "doomed from the beginning" as Microsoft's OSes are. It would just kill me to have made a tens of billion dollars, made thousands of people millionaires, and have my "doomed from the beginning" software on about a billion or so devices. I say again, I wish I had such doomed software! |
| #10 By 19992 (164.214.4.61) at 1/16/2004 8:01:38 AM |
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#14
What they should have done is put forward a success strategy. What is it that they wanted to accomplish, and then worked backwards from that to identify the technology options available to them. They did, the consulting firm they hired told them that Windows was a better fit for them on terms of price and technology. The IBM/SUSE deal seemed to fill some (as yet unreported) additional criteria better than Microsoft. Also, the Munich city council was "concerned about the unpredictable long-run cost of Microsoft upgrades". #16 It will pay off for you in the long run Sorry, I'll defend Linux 9 times out of 10 (as others here can testify), but you're wrong on this one. MS underbid IBM/SUSE by 12 million dollars in Munich. In order for Munich to recoup that kind of loss they are going to need to be able to run the Linux software (without any additional costs - like an I.T department or bug-fixes) for an additional 2 or 3 years beyond the scope of the contract. This decision was not based on any additional value that Linux may provide, it was about A) Sticking it to MS and B) giving a leg up to a German company. This post was edited by happyguy on Friday, January 16, 2004 at 08:02. |
| #11 By 135 (208.186.90.91) at 1/17/2004 2:14:20 AM |
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happyguy - Thank you for being an honest Linux advocate.
That's such a rare commodity these days. |
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