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| Time: 09:59 EST/14:59 GMT | News Source: ActiveMac | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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"I’ll admit to being a little narrow-minded when it came to computers over the last 8 years or so. I was one of those people who thought that there was no other operating system other than that of Microsoft’s Windows. There was very little chance of me ever trying a Mac or Linux based machine no matter how many times I’d seen what other people had been using....." | ||
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| #1 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 11/2/2003 2:48:51 PM |
| Here we go again, Byron. I thought you wanted a truce. |
| #2 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 11/2/2003 3:51:57 PM |
| #2 - Exactly - there is no choice other than Windows right now for gaming. |
| #3 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 11/2/2003 4:16:18 PM |
| #5 OS X/Xbox and PC for gaming ;O) I mean where else is max payne 2 right now! |
| #4 By 1295 (68.97.186.211) at 11/2/2003 5:26:06 PM |
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"Dialogue boxes: In windows you get things like Yes, No and Cancel - on a Mac you get Don’t Save, Cancel and Save – logical text information that is an improvement over Windows. This is just one really plain example, I could literally list loads. Open Recent dialogues easier to read than Windows "
- This is a simple design choice by most software companies... its not OS dependant. In some cases I could agree with you. "Drag and Drop: Far, far better in OS X over Windows. Things like dragging files to a Printer Icon to print, dragging images from the web to the desktop, drag folders to e-mail, drag a picture or photo to you desktop picture control panel sets it up as the desktop background, dragging pictures to your login icon sets that as your login picture. You can also drag reorder items in any Window toolbar or sidebar. " -dragging files to a Printer : I'm on 2k here at home and I just did that... -dragging images from the web to the desktop : On 2k and just did that as well. -drag folders to e-mail : why would you do this... zip then send. -photo to you desktop picture control panel : I'll give you that. Don't see how that is even remotely important but I'll give it to you. -pictures to your login icon sets that as your login picture : Same -can also drag reorder items in any Window toolbar or sidebar : up to the softare vendors not the OS vendor... even though that functionality is avilable through the API. "Keyboard: Makes better use of Keyboard shortcuts, navigating the file system by the keyboard, application and document switching via the keyboard (Exposé), shutting down via a keyboard and more. " - Makes better use of Keyboard shortcuts : This is only because there is NO way to navigate menus w/the keyboard. This is simply the most annoying feature of this OS -application and document switching : anyone will tell you that windows/linux beats OSX anyday when it comes to switching between open apps. -shutting down via a keyboard and more : I'll give you that. Don't see how that is even remotely important but I'll give it to you. I use a Mac at my office as well as a WinXP machine. I don't mind using a MAC but unless you are a graphics designer MAC will slow down your productivity assuming you have the same knowledge of both OS's |
| #5 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 11/2/2003 5:37:51 PM |
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#8 I'll disagree with you on the point of saying application and document switching in Windows/Linux beats OS X - it might have done previously, but I don't feel it does not anymore
XP's Alt-Tabbing is windowcentric, while Panther's Command Tabbing is application centric. Panther enables document cycling via Command`. Like OS X, XP's Window key-Tab method allows for more precise cycling first through applictions, then through documents, as long as Taskbar items are grouped. Panther's Control-D method offers much greater control but this feature has to be turned on. However, for Application/Document switching, Exposé is the key. The idea of minimizing Windows has hopefully gone. As for the dialogue tabs - I think I'm right in saying that Apple encourages the developers to do it this way in developer documentation, something I'm surprised hasn't happened with Windows applications because it really does make things clearer to understand for everyone. This post was edited by Byron_Hinson[AW] on Sunday, November 02, 2003 at 17:41. |
| #6 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 11/2/2003 11:33:22 PM |
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I dropped ~$3000 on a Mac SE.
I dropped ~$2500 on a Mac IIsi I dropped ~$3200 on a Power Computing box. fast forward a few years... Last month I dropped $450 on a Dell PowerEdge 400sc. And I've never been happier. I'm out of the shadow and into the light. |
| #7 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 11/3/2003 1:07:03 AM |
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#13 - #11 and #12 That's like comparing a pickup trick to a sports car. Obviously if you don't care about design and looks you can pay less and get a cheap PC with Windows.
Huh? Talk about a bad analogy. Considering the PC is better in every possible way, except for perhaps how pretty it is, I'm not sure how your pickup truck / sports car dichotomy makes sense. The PC is far faster, far cheaper, just as easy to use (if not easier, imo), has a much wider selection of all kinds of software, has tons of vendors to choose from, and despite what many people seems to assume, is just as stable. (And no, I'm not just basing this off the fact that XP has never, ever, ever crashed on me and I've been using it since *before* was it publically released... you can look at the Windows error reporting data Microsoft gets from those nifty dialogs in XP. XP rarely crashes, and when it does it's either a faulty driver, or bad hardware. Either way, it's a rare occurance for the vast majority of XP users.) I guess a better car analogy would be a VW Bug vs. a Volvo. The Bug is pretty (to some), has a lot of "sex appeal", is trendy, and relies a great deal on image instead of substance. The Volvo is sturdy, reliable, faster (yeah... imagine that... go test drive a S60R and you'll see what I mean), and while most don't look as pretty, in the end... it's a far better car. Granted, this analogy breaks down when it comes to price, but you get my point. |
| #8 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 11/3/2003 2:56:53 AM |
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Is it just me, or are all these articles the same?
[Some catchy and instigative headline] [Pardon me, I'm some stupid bumf*** from the hills and I know nothing about computers] [I went to bestbuy and bought a super-loaded Mac and a cheap, low-end PC] (I hate PCs) [I used this and that and this and that and the Mac was so vastely superior] (I hate PCs) [... And who really needs more than 1 mouse button?] (I hate PCs) [... And all those wires! Geesh! I mean, things are so much cleaner with 42 wires instead of 46 wires!] (I hate PCs) [.. And does anyone really use USB? Everyone has Firewire!] [So, in conclusion, MS is evil and they're this big mega corporation. Steve Jobs is a good East Village liberal and I'm a liberal journalist, so of course Macs win! ha ha!] -Stupid Author |
| #9 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 11/3/2003 1:33:15 PM |
| daz, that Stupid Author, in this case, happens to be Byron Hinson. Just what are you saying about AW staff? |
| #10 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 11/3/2003 1:39:09 PM |
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Ok, so what's so wrong about chosing BOTH, and taking BOTH to task for their strengths and weaknesses?
TL |
| #11 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 11/3/2003 1:48:52 PM |
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Shao,
If things were as you stated, MS would not be in trouble. But, alas, they are not. MS doesn't bundle stuff WITH the OS. It bundles stuff INTO the OS where it can't be removed. Oh, and deleting a shortcut don't count. That is what got them into trouble. If it were programs that could simply be removed, completely, via the Add/Remove programs control panel I don't think they would have ever had these problems. Microsoft wants a Windows-Only world. They can't have it. Oh, well :) TL |
| #12 By 2960 (156.80.64.137) at 11/3/2003 1:50:05 PM |
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Byron - You guys having Network/Provider issues?
It's been painfully slow around here the last week or so... TL |
| #13 By 3 (81.100.93.91) at 11/3/2003 2:22:51 PM |
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#19 - Nothing at all if you can afford it.
#21 - its this story running the server down currently, things should go back to normal but its been featured on a lot of larger sites and we've had trouble with bandwidth again as today is far far worse than usual. This post was edited by Byron_Hinson[AW] on Monday, November 03, 2003 at 14:36. |
| #14 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 11/3/2003 6:15:45 PM |
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TechLarry - "MS doesn't bundle stuff WITH the OS. It bundles stuff INTO the OS where it can't be removed. "
As opposed to Apple which bundles their OS INTO the Hardware? So all these wonderful features in OSX. I can uninstall DVD playback? Safari? Email? iChat? iTunes? I don't like Finder, can I get rid of it? |
| #15 By 10022 (24.169.28.128) at 11/3/2003 7:52:35 PM |
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having seen about 10 kernel panics in 2 weeks since we got our dual G5, i must say i am very dissappointed in it.
OS X 10.x is just simply unusable. It really cant do anything with out failing in some way or another (most notably any thing that involves move data from one place to another!!) just forget about Windows/Mac co-existence with OS X- it doesnt work. OS X SAMBA sucks, 10.3 cannot browse a network, HFS+ is still limited to 32 character file names, file permissions get messed up beyond belief way too easily, network transfers fail for no apparent reason, the spinning beach ball still occurs for long periods of time on dual G5 systems, the new Finder is on crack, my new dual 1.25 GHz G4 failed to wake up today (had this one only for a week now)....... I know this because i must use this. OS 9 is better (and sometimes only slighlty less stable- most OS X apps crash everyday- that is if the app hasnt refused to run for more that 5 seconds with out crashing). dont waste your money. get XP with an eMachine for $400(?) and at least use an OS that doesnt fight you at every turn all while looking childish. I swear, the OS X experience is like a little smart ass kid that you just want to smack to shut him up. |
| #16 By 20 (67.9.179.51) at 11/4/2003 1:32:44 AM |
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#18: oops, yeah, better check the source first.
Byron, I love ya man, and I support your Mac switch and I think it's great. But I have to be honest, this is probably the 10,000th article I've read with the same cookie-cutter format. Whenever I read them, I think they're stupid. this one is certainly more technical, but for every one item person A finds good or bad about OS A, person B will find good or bad about OS B, and so forth. For example, hardly anything you pointed out there has any use to me. What little things Windows doesn't have built in I can download for free or are in other common applications(like sticky notes, those are in Office 2000 and later, for example). Macs are just candy, even the photoshop guys here can't get any real work done on them. you can do photoshop and email, but other than that, they're very unproductive. I think they're great for Grandma or Mom to check email, but most serious people I know gave up macs for anything other than fun about 5 years ago. And statements like: Photos: iPhoto is far better at managing photos you have on your computer than Windows. are really just ignorant and hold no bearing in any reality and are largely perference or opinion. I didn't mean to call you stupid, but articles like these tend to be a waste of bandwidth and serve no purpose other than blind apologetics. |
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