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Time:
10:07 EST/15:07 GMT | News Source:
Macworld UK |
Posted By: Byron Hinson |
Last week Apple introduced its long-awaited iTunes for Windows software. The software provides Windows PC users with the ability to buy music from the iTunes Music Store, and it sports the same features and capabilities as its long-running Macintosh counterpart. On Monday Apple announced that more than a million copies of the iTunes for Windows software have been downloaded in the first three days following the software's release. The company also said that more than a million songs have been purchased in the same period. By comparison, when the iTunes Music Store first launched in late April exclusively for Mac users, it took Apple about a week to hit the million songs sold mark.
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#1 By
2332 (216.41.45.78)
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10/20/2003 11:17:22 AM
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Hmm, so, on average, each Windows user has only bought a single song?
Isn't that a "bad thing" for Apple?
Granted, there are a LOT more Windows users than Mac users, but even so, you have to assume they were hoping to do a bit more than 1 song per user.
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#2 By
61 (24.92.223.181)
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10/20/2003 11:58:31 AM
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Only two things are keeping me from buying from iTMS...
First, I have no iPod.
Second, I have no money, however, it would be really easy to spend the money I don't have in iTMS.
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#3 By
61 (24.92.223.181)
at
10/20/2003 12:01:54 PM
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Would be nice if iTunes supported WMA, but that is asking too much.
Not that I have heaps of WMAs, just would be nice for the few that I do have.
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#4 By
3339 (64.160.58.135)
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10/20/2003 12:09:02 PM
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RMD, you're joking right? The pathetic-ness of your statement belies your fear and jealousy.
I don't even get your statement--there's only a million PC users? (I really do get your statement though, it's just stupid, but do you really think every PC user is as geeky as every poster at activewin, neowin, slashdot, and osnews? Most people don't know about this yet...) Well, okay... But if there's only one million PC users and they buy a song every 3 days (you are extrapolating a trend from three days so so can I...), that's exactly Apple's target of 100 million WITHOUT giving away 100 million songs... So it looks like Apple will crush their goal by two fold... (And unlike the Mac audience where it took a couple of days, it should take a few weeks to get to its initial peak)...
without factoring in promotions, the AOL links, any new advertisements, iPod (especially holiday) sales, and word of mouth (only geeks who follow tech sites all day even know it exists yet)...
a "bad thing" indead... LOL
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#5 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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10/20/2003 12:38:00 PM
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I think it's great that Apple has finally found a market niche that they can be popular in.
Microsoft was right all along. The money isn't in building computers... it's in building add-on software and hardware.
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#6 By
3339 (64.160.58.135)
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10/20/2003 1:04:21 PM
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"I think it's great that Apple has finally found a market niche that they can be popular in." FINALLY? Weird, I've thought they've enjoyed a niche or two from the beginning.
"Microsoft was right all along. The money isn't in building computers... it's in building add-on software and hardware." It's been MS's strategy all along to build software AND hardware? Jeez, I thought that was Apple's strategy from the beginning, and only Microsoft's strategy the last year or two.
bbaisley, yes, iTunes cannot support Canada yet although it should be the first foreign market added. Possibly before the end of the year. On a side note, an interesting comment raises the possibility that AmEx (or at least some AmEx cards) can circumvent most ecommerce sites locked to credt cards country of origin.
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#7 By
116 (24.173.79.86)
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10/20/2003 1:29:16 PM
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Im not real impressed by these numbers...
Ill wait and see what happens with Napster to determine if these numbers are good or not.
As for iTunes I just really don't care for it that much. Again the main knock against it is no support for wma. Also the way it manages files just isnt anywhere what I expect coming from WMP9.
Peace,
RA
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#8 By
3339 (64.160.58.135)
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10/20/2003 2:11:58 PM
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bbaisley, further news on Canada: http://www.macrumors.com
Could be sooner than later!
"Losing a few pennies per song, and selling a million sings, is bad news for Apple." Not really. Yes, it is currently in the red, but the more quantity they sell the closer they are in the black. It is an issue of scaling--operating costs do not scale directly proportional to units sold. The costs involved are about the same if they 500,000 or 5,000,000 I would bet.
"Ill wait and see what happens with Napster to determine if these numbers are good or not." Well, hopefully, they won't be afraid to release numbers like BuyMusic and others.
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#9 By
61 (24.92.223.181)
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10/20/2003 2:37:40 PM
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Red: I thought the same thing... then my MacHead buddy came over and showed me that it will actually organize all your music on the harddrive for you.
I also like the searching feature, where you type in what you are looking for and with each new letter it filters everything out, as opposed to WMPs way of typing in the whole thing and searching. It is especially nice because often times music will be mislabeled... a good example is how people spell Evanescence as Evans Esence, or Evan Essence, or Evenesence, etc...
Personally, I don't know how people can be so stupid that they can not spell something correctly, or just put in the wrong info... but I guess I ask too much from people.
One thing I don't like about iTunes is how it doesn't seem to like to manage files that are accross the network. I store all my music on my server so that all the computers in the house have easy access to all the music, iTunes will not manage this music, I can only import it into the library and label it.
One more thing...
I'm trying to pop in a CD and play it, but when I do, iTunes just tries to play it, doesn't, and skips to the next song, so on and so forth through the whole CD. Which, I'm thinking, is also the same source of my problem that I can't seem to actually rip my music either.
Any ideas?
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#10 By
3653 (63.162.177.143)
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10/20/2003 2:49:16 PM
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lol. i really never thought I'd see the day when apple was belly down in the tech industry... selling mp3 players and jazz music. Oh my, this is more embarrassing than if they had just sold out to Sun.
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#11 By
3339 (64.160.58.135)
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10/20/2003 3:04:35 PM
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CPU, I haven't heard anyone else with this problem yet. What kind of drive is it? External? Internal Home-built? Internal OEM standard?
mooresa, pathetic as usual. Oh my, it sure is embarassing to be leading the industry in two new markets... Que?
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#12 By
61 (24.92.223.181)
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10/20/2003 3:12:09 PM
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It's just an internal DVD drive, works fine in WMP. Windows reads the disc fine.
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#13 By
2332 (216.41.45.78)
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10/20/2003 5:19:39 PM
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#5 - RMD, you're joking right? The pathetic-ness of your statement belies your fear and jealousy.
Huh? What could I possibly have to be afraid or jealous of? Get a grip there buddy.
I don't even get your statement--there's only a million PC users?
What are you talking about? The article said 1 million Windows users downloaded iTunes, and only 1 million songs were sold. This means, on average, each Windows user bought a single song in the first 3 days. That's all it said, and that's all I said. Again, get a grip.
Well, okay... But if there's only one million PC users and they buy a song every 3 days (you are extrapolating a trend from three days so so can I
How was I extrapolating anything? I was making a statement about what has happened so far. Apple users bought far more songs in the first few days of use than Windows user did. That's all I said. I didn't extrapolate anything. Yet again, get a grip.
Man, you flip out way too easy.
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#14 By
135 (209.180.28.6)
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10/20/2003 5:20:59 PM
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Leave it to sodajerk to disagree with positive comments about Apple.
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#15 By
3339 (64.160.58.135)
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10/20/2003 5:52:38 PM
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RMD, get off it, your comments were retarded.
Apple users have bought as many songs as PC users, possibly less. I quote from the 1 million download PR following the initial launch (May 5, 2003):
"Apple also reported that over one million copies of iTunes 4 have been downloaded, and that it has received orders for over 110,000 new third-generation iPods since their introduction a week ago, with music lovers snapping up more than 20,000 of them from stores in the U.S. this weekend." It would be interesting to see how many corresponding iPods get sold, but they didn't do that this time...
Same thing. 1 song per download. It took nearly a whole week instead of three days. And downloads were probably well over a million... so it follows PC users are buying more. Definitely not less. So, again, wrong!
Your premise is ludicrous... It presupposes that everyone is exclusively using iTunes to purchase songs, that they have completed their purchases and will never purchase again, and that selling songs is Apple's primary concern. (The fact is: it's like 20% or less and they are buying much more than 1 song... however, the attempt to make it sound like Apple is doing poorly when they are killing every other service and every other service is afraid to say what they've done... it's pretty clear your motivations.) When Apple themselves have clearly stated, this is not the case.
Positive comments? "Isn't that a "bad thing" for Apple?" was supposed to be positive?
Flip out? I call it being correct rather than retarded.
This post was edited by sodajerk on Monday, October 20, 2003 at 18:03.
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#16 By
3339 (64.160.58.135)
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10/20/2003 5:55:47 PM
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CPU, don't know what to say, but it seems like a bad installation. Either check out the discussion boards at the Apple site for similar issues or try an uninstall/re-install. That's the best I can suggest.
becker, don't know which services because I haven't dl'ed it yet, but I presume one is the iPod service. If you don't have one, you can disable it in advanced settings under preferences.
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#17 By
3653 (63.162.177.143)
at
10/21/2003 10:56:36 AM
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jerk, if you want an ipod... buy one. but don't try to convince us that by apple outsourcing the development of an mp3 player... they have somehow become a technical powerhouse.
that shite dont fly
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#18 By
3339 (64.160.58.135)
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10/21/2003 12:40:15 PM
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I have one and I wouldn't recommend one to most of you. I would recommend you get your facts straight.
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#19 By
2960 (156.80.64.137)
at
10/21/2003 4:21:48 PM
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#12,
My iTunes is attached to a store of about 2000 MP3's and AAC's on my File Server. No problem at all.
I don't have a single track local.
There is an option in the preferences that says something like "Copy tracks to my library when adding". I bet you have that turned on.
TL
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#20 By
2332 (216.41.45.78)
at
10/21/2003 4:55:35 PM
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#19 - I was unaware the stats were the same for the Mac launch.
Nevertheless, you flipped out. Your initial comments made no sense and claimed I said things I did not.
Chill out man. You get way too emotional over something so meaningless.
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#21 By
61 (24.92.223.181)
at
10/21/2003 4:57:55 PM
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Tech: That is the feature I was referring too... however I fixed the issue by installing iTunes on my server (which actually screws up the DNS somehow, when running), and had iTunes organize all my music, then rebuilt my database on my computer and everything works just fine.
Even when I go to delete stuff from the library it prompts me if I want to delete the file itself too (which it didn't do before).
I am still, however, still having a problem copying/playing my CD tracks.
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#22 By
3653 (209.149.57.116)
at
10/21/2003 10:41:09 PM
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jerk - "I would recommend you get your facts straight"
exactly which fact did I get wrong? Or are you just replying to a comment that only exists in your feeble little mind?
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#23 By
2960 (156.80.64.137)
at
10/22/2003 8:38:34 AM
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CPUGuy:
"Even when I go to delete stuff from the library it prompts me if I want to delete the file itself too (which it didn't do before). "
Actually, this is normal behaviour. The prompt only occurs when you are deleting an entry from the Library. It does not occur when deleting entries from play-lists. It's always been like this in both the Mac and PC version.
MMJB does the same thing when you delete an entry from the library listing.
I'm afraid I can't help on the DNS thing :)
TL
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#24 By
61 (24.92.223.181)
at
10/22/2003 10:19:18 AM
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Tech: the thing is, it didn't ask me if I wanted to delete the file before I installed iTunes on my server and had it sort all the music on my server.
iTunes (on my computer) didn't even want to touch the stuff on the server other than play it.
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#25 By
3339 (64.160.58.135)
at
10/22/2003 1:42:23 PM
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"exactly which fact did I get wrong?" For one, I didn't even fckin' mention the iPod, never mind try to convince anyone that it made Apple a powerhouse.
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