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| #1 By 3 (81.106.163.164) at 10/4/2003 4:26:17 AM |
| #3 run games slower than ATI cards |
| #2 By 61 (24.92.223.181) at 10/4/2003 10:49:19 AM |
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Rogue: Generally there is a better gaming experience on the PC. Besides, I already have a PC, why should I fork out cash for a stupid console?
You use different types of video cards for professional work... at least if you have half a brain you do. The Geforce and the Radeon line are for gaming and gaming only. There is no need for this "ATi is shit, nVidia rules!" or visa versa. |
| #3 By 61 (24.92.223.181) at 10/4/2003 10:49:25 AM |
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This post was edited by CPUGuy on Saturday, October 04, 2003 at 10:49. |
| #4 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 10/4/2003 1:07:48 PM |
| #5 - bryearch, the source of all ignorance. |
| #5 By 531 (68.185.168.139) at 10/4/2003 3:16:08 PM |
| Wow. You totally showed him, #12. I had no idea you were so clever. |
| #6 By 3 (81.106.163.164) at 10/4/2003 4:47:32 PM |
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#9 - I'm not an ATI or Nvidia fan - I have an Nvidia card, I was just being an ass at Monkeyboy...but yes ATI cards since the 9000 series are now far better than anything Nvidia has to offer.
As for the infinate loop error - I think a look around will find thats a problem with Windows and certain setups - it happens on ATI and Nvidia cards, oh and Matrox, S3 etc - it's not card specific so ATI are right in saying it isn't a fault on their side - there should be info about it on the Microsoft support site too. I'm sorry about the problems you've had with the cards, but for once I'm on the side of ATI for that one. To me its good to see another graphic card company come into the fray with better cards, hopefully someone (maybe even Nvidia in a couple of years time when they sort themselves out) will do the same to ATI in the future. But yes for gaming, an ATI card over any Nvidia card right now is a must. As for graphic editing, each to their own, but on various machines I've edited graphics with that have used the newer ATI cards, I've seen no problems and some with LCD displays have almost identical colours to the Nvidia models, so really thats not so much of a problem anymore. By the time longhorn comes out most people won't even be using these cards anyway, for CAD or anything else, so lets just see how things come out in the future. As for my comments, read back over the other 1000 of mine and you'll see i'm just a sarcastic sob. |
| #7 By 1896 (68.209.99.21) at 10/4/2003 5:39:51 PM |
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Personally I don't care for Apple Aqua desktop style neither I care for MSN 9, too cartonish and AOL style.
What I would love to see is a side-bar as it was shown in its first release, the one used only in MS campus with tight integration with Outlook, user being available or busy etc. Mr. Gates spoke about something called "Outlook Plus" or "Bestcom" and this is what I would like to see together with a complete phone answering machine software to be used with a bluetooth headset like I can already do with my cellular. I thingk that is still too early for a system 100% voice activated but this is the ultimate goal together with a hologram projected in mid-air; btw a TV projecting an hologram is already available so we are not too far. |
| #8 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 10/5/2003 3:56:19 AM |
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#12 - You fear Pallidium, yet seem to have no idea what it is, or why Microsoft is creating it.
You, like many others, probably see it as some conspiracy to prevent you from doing what you want with your computer. But you, and all the others, are wrong. Pallidium is the first real step toward true "trusted computing". As it is now, computers are at the mercy of their software. Want to subvert a system's security? Easy. Just modify the software a little bit. Pallidium, since it's a hardware and software based platform, makes this considerably harder. But the real point of me calling you ignorant is this. PALLADIUM IS OPTIONAL. Don't want to use Pallidium? Then don't. You just won't be able to access content / software / services that require it. And that's exactly the point. In addition to taking steps against security problems that could hurt you, it prevents you from modifying your software to enable the theft of other people's property. This is often a sticking point for people. See, most people like being able to steal. They love stealing music, movies, software, and lots of other stuff. This has been a huge barrier to businesses that want to offer online content, but can't take the risk it will be offered up to everybody for free. Pallidium will open up massive new market that will benefit consumers and businesses alike, as well as dramatically increase the "trust" we have in our computers. If, of course, it all works as planned. You can see the beginnings of this with the DRM technologies out there, like those built into Windows Media 9 Series. Do you think companies could offer services like iTunes or BuyMusic.com without DRM? No. But the problem with the current DRM technology is that it, like all other software, is subject to modifacation. Can a 0 here, a 1 there, and eventually somebody will figure out how to subvert it. This makes services like iTunes and BuyMusic.com risky ventures because as soon as their DRM is cracked, not only does their business model fall apart, but their content providers (the record companies) will pull their content licenses. A reliable, hardware based solution is the only option that will allow commercial digital content to become widespread. So, in summary, you're ignorant because if you understood Pallidium you would not call it evil, you would look forward to the exciting stuff it will bring. |
| #9 By 61 (24.92.223.181) at 10/6/2003 10:15:15 AM |
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Well, Mr. Dee, you can change any icons you wish to in Windows, very easily.
You use policies and such to give and deny access to certain applications... having it in Add/Remove would be an incredibly stupid place to have it, as giving and denying access has nothing to do with adding or removing applications. Microsoft has already beaten Aqua from a UI standpoint. Aqua is nothing more than useless eye candy, with absolutely no conecept of good UI design. |
| #10 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/6/2003 11:01:37 AM |
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bryearch - Of course in reality neither is probably true, it’s just a shame you couldn’t make your point, without the useless insults which only serves to degrade yourself.
So says the person who started the discussion by using the word 'evil'. Where as I say only in the US, of course, with this being a huge market manufacturers will need to build their applications/ hardware to meet the US requirements, meaning everyone will have little choice but to activate it. This is a leap of logic, since you have not established why this should be true and there has been no information presented on Palladium which suggests that it will be true. Additionally there are worries in the free software movements, that this could instantly price/ cut them out of their chosen market of distribution. This is a choice the free software movement has made by choosing to not involve themselves in industry standards. It is, as I’m sure everyone would agree, unfortunate that it requires angry members of the public to begin stealing such music to force a change. I find this argument justifying theft to be quite distasteful. The only legitimate(both ethically and morally) response to higher prices is for the consumer to not buy the product. So, in summary, I am not ignorant, because I do understand palladium and still chose to call it evil I think based on your comments trying to justify theft that you do not have a moral platform strong enough upon which to make accusations of evil. I’m afraid I am unable to accept that these worries, which I and many more people have, are just “wrong” because you say so. I'm afraid I am unable to accept that these worries are accurate just because "you say so". Of course all of this is just speculation, and until we see the final product, we can not tell for certain the effects of these new security measures. It's odd. You admit that you do not have any evidence to support your claims, but yet you still use hyperbolic accusations such as calling it evil? Maybe it's time you learn how to argue effectively. This post was edited by sodablue on Monday, October 06, 2003 at 11:03. |
| #11 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/6/2003 4:46:14 PM |
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bryearch - This was not an insult against any individual member
It was hyperbole, and it is not a rationale way to start off an intelligent discussion. I regard it as an insult to the entire community. It is quite evident the US market specifications will need to be met by persons wanting to succeed in the overall market, since it is so large, and they will be legally required to meet the specifications But this is irrelevant to a discussion of whether the enduser will be able to disable the feature. Just because a product is compatible with the spec doesn't mean it's always enabled. Perhaps so, but from what evidence I have seen this is not the case. This was in reference to me pointing out the OSS community has purposefully crippled itself by refusing to work with industry standards bodies, due to their ideology against licensing fees , etc. As this is your response, then you quite clearly are not familiar with OSS. Which they didn’t. No one said that their actions were morally correct, only that they have served to have a good effect for those who are legitimate purchasers. You wrote... "It is, as I’m sure everyone would agree, unfortunate that it requires angry members of the public to begin stealing such music to force a change. " You obviously implied by this statement that the public was required to steal music. I can't read into it any other meaning beyond that. Perhaps you should learn to read. More personal insults... I never said they were, I just said they were worries. More back pedaling. I also admit that RMD had no real evidence. All information is currently based on what we have "heard" The distinction here between you and RMD is that you are apparently ready to make wild, unsupported accusations without any factual justification, whereas RMD will not. Perhaps you should just back up now and apologize for mischaracterizing palladium as evil, and simply state that you have worries and look forward to further details on the plans when they become available. When you've found yourself in a hole, the appropriate response is to stop digging... not demand a larger shovel. |
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