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| Time: 11:40 EST/16:40 GMT | News Source: VNUNet | Posted By: Todd Richardson | ||
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Microsoft has told firms to wait until next month for clarification of its roadmap for Windows, after the latest delays to the next release left firms unable to plan for the future. Earlier this month Microsoft said it could no longer give a target date for Longhorn, the delayed successor to Windows 2000 that was initially due to ship this year. It now seems unlikely to arrive before 2006. | ||
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| #1 By 16302 (64.201.211.161) at 9/22/2003 11:57:04 AM |
| So, what is the scoop with Software Assurance when Microsoft can't guarantee an OS upgrade in under 4 years? Doesn't that significantly reduce the value of a 2-year Software Assurance plan? |
| #2 By 531 (199.36.37.55) at 9/22/2003 12:10:10 PM |
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#2: Actually, SA is 3 years, or - at least - it is now.
A Microsoft Exec has said that they will "do right" by their SA customers in a situation like this. What - exactly - that means remains to be seen, but I've got to think that MSFT would offer some sort of deal to SA customers with respect to the Longhorn situation. Granted, the verbiage of an SA agreement does not bind Microsoft to releasing any new versions within the SA timeframe, but Microsoft isn't stupid. This could turn out to be a very bad PR situation. |
| #3 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 9/22/2003 1:47:02 PM |
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sphbecker - "And what about all those people who run Windows 2000 that MS told not to worry about upgrading to XP?"
I have a hard time believeing Microsoft told anybody that. "That is like saying you are going to sue your auto insurance career because you paid your premium for 10 years and was never able to make a claim." Don't give people ideas. |
| #4 By 531 (199.36.37.55) at 9/22/2003 2:25:06 PM |
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I'm not sure why I'm even responding to you, but XP is the successor to both, Monkeydog, but it's more accurately a successor to 2000.
Windows XP was built from the Windows 2000 codebase - it's NT 5.1, Windows 2000 was NT 5.0. XP Home was intended to replace the Windows 9x line of operating systems, but also to move everyone over to the NT Kernel. |
| #5 By 11131 (160.81.221.42) at 9/22/2003 3:14:05 PM |
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#14 and #15 What are you talking about Monkyedog?
You have the compatiblity tab and the start menu look options in all versions of XP (home and pro). XP home is not base on Win9X, it is the same a Windows XP Pro but with some of the features stripped out (ie: capability to log onto a domain -- most home users do not have a domain :) and have no need for this capability) Alister |
| #6 By 1896 (68.209.99.21) at 9/22/2003 3:34:22 PM |
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#21 Because I wanted to buy them and made an offer Bill could not refuse. LOL
Seriously between premiums and splits I don't think that Bill will run short of shares anytime soon. |
| #7 By 1868 (141.133.130.153) at 9/22/2003 4:34:37 PM |
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monkeydog,
Please get off of our forums. I'm not reading your comments but just having to scroll past them is annoying. Your comments lack any coherent sense, logic, and for that matter, reason. Go hang out over at Neowin and stop wasting our time by having to scroll past your dribble. Thanks |
| #8 By 992 (195.92.67.66) at 9/22/2003 5:19:19 PM |
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Why release a new GUI with a new OS, is the underlying code so unmanageable that you need a complete overhaul? The one thing any Linux distro has, is an independent GUI from the core OS. You can have Gnome, or KDE, NextStep if you’re into that too. However with MS Windows, you are stuck with one ideal, one concept, one way of doing tasks visually, and they call it Explorer. This GUI has been enhanced with each iteration of the OS, from 95 to XP, but now you only get a GUI update only with a new OS.
A while ago, way back when the Internet was getting popular, Microsoft released Internet Explorer 4. This browser was notably different than others that came before as it actually enhanced the OS GUI without really effect the underlying core OS. It was called Desktop Update and was available for Windows 95 (all flavours) and NT4 (all flavours). This GUI update, enhanced the way people interact with the operation system and some would consider it the precursor to the GUI Windows 98 uses. The list of updates that I can remember are: * Integration of Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer * New Explorer Icons * An Information Panel * Integrated Address Bar * Active Desktop While at the time, people wondered if it was worth getting Windows 98 as the IE4 Desktop update gave you all the extras, but the core OS for 95 and NT was left unchanged. 98 offered things such as IRQ sharing, USB and AGP support, for which an OS overhaul was required. Granted there was bugs, but in my opinion, MS got it right with 98se, and was the best 9x OS around, give it was on its 6 iteration. The seventh, ME, well what a flop, but 2000, yeah baby YEAH. However with 2000 to XP, who can really spot the REAL different. Its like a game of where’s Wally (do you remember those books where you had to spot one guy called Wally in a crowd of people?). Nice eye caddy, but its really Windows 2000 second edition. It even says some to that by what is shown in the Windows XP system properties; that it is NT 5.1 and while 2000 is NT5. Or another way of looking at it, Microsoft doing a similar update, such as the earlier mentioned MSIE 4 Desktop Update for Windows 2000, re-branding it as Windows Experience, applying a few fixes and updates and asking this time for Money for this update. The point I am making is why not do something similar to Windows 95/NT4 for Windows 2000 or/and Windows XP but as a plus/ enhancement pack. Instead of them bundling all these new GUI features with as new OS, give it as an update and use it as an interim until Longhorn? By give us a Direct X based GUI now instead of waiting up to 2 to 3 years for and not digging heavily into out pockets to have it. Here in the UK, I spent £115 when Windows 2000 (NT5) was released and £150 for Windows XP (NT5.1), I don’t want to spending nearly £150 - £200 for Windows Longhorn (whatever they want to brand as) when it is finally released! We consumers consume anyway, but we are not easily fooled, and may head for something else, or decide to go on a diet. So are the big guys really up to the challenge or another minor iteration? The choice is yours Microsoft! |
| #9 By 10 (207.179.208.147) at 9/22/2003 5:55:30 PM |
| yeah..XP is the successor to 2000 in the form of code and to all the 9x OS's as far as marketing is concerned, Longhorn will be the successor to XP, the author of the article and monkeyboy are wrong..no reason to argue..they're just misinformed..sorry...done. |
| #10 By 10022 (24.169.193.163) at 9/22/2003 6:01:56 PM |
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but what happens when i type in cmd? Isnt that DOS (stop laughing that was just a joke!)
on XP Home, boot into safe mode- if you have an NTFS partition, you will be able to change permissions. you cannot join a domain because Pro costs $299 and home costs $99 thats it. MS does not want it to join domains so it doesnt! IN NO WAY is XP home any thing less than a stripped down version of NT 5.1! IT IS IN NO significant way related to 9x, DOS or OS/2! |
| #11 By 61 (24.92.223.112) at 9/22/2003 6:12:10 PM |
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kevn: You can get permissions in Home by holding shift while clicking properties
<edit> At least you could in the betas, I don't know about final.</edit> Oracle: That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. First, you can easily replace the Windows shell, there are in fact many replacements for it. What Microsoft is doing in Longhorn is more than just a new UI, but changing how the UI works. Instead of using GDI+ to render everything they are using Dx, which requires a lot of work on MS's part, and work on the developers part as far as chanigng to the new design. The other shells still use GDI+ to render their objects just as Explorer does... but this is the same thing as the window managers of the *nix realm using X to render their objects. XP was more for moving home users to the NT codebase than for moving Win2k users, and it is advertised that way. The minor UI enhancements made by IE4 is nowhere near the COMPLETE overhaul of the entire GUI in Longhorn. This post was edited by CPUGuy on Monday, September 22, 2003 at 18:13. |
| #12 By 10748 (169.3.169.209) at 9/22/2003 6:43:13 PM |
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I think Monkeydog is leading you guys around by the nose, just trying to get your goat <insert joke here>. Either that or he doesn't know what he is talking about... I'd have to choose the former, he's having too much fun stirring you guys up. Anyone around computers for the past 4-5 years obviously knows the code bases.... This post was edited by Pixel on Monday, September 22, 2003 at 18:45. |
| #13 By 11131 (160.81.221.42) at 9/23/2003 10:33:46 AM |
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Just don't post any replies/comments to MONKEYDOG and he will not have anything got feed off and slowly fade away :)
Alister |
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