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| Time: 15:48 EST/20:48 GMT | News Source: ActiveWin.com | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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Using publicly available information, I am going to show you how Apple is attempting to deliberately mislead its loyal customers and fans when it claims that "The Power Mac G5 is the world's fastest personal computer". | ||
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| #1 By 37 (66.82.20.150) at 6/24/2003 4:18:15 PM |
| Ouch |
| #2 By 2332 (216.41.45.78) at 6/24/2003 4:33:26 PM |
| *Cough*... no comment. :-) |
| #3 By 37 (66.82.20.150) at 6/24/2003 4:35:11 PM |
| I guess that is what you call "Marketing Innovation" :-) |
| #4 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 6/24/2003 4:55:39 PM |
| Where's sodajerk? I am anxious to see how he'll defend Apple no matter what, and how he'll reconcile defending Apple's deliberate misleading of customers with his criticism of a comparatively minor date mix-up and PR remark in his earlier comments about Steve Ballmer and Microsoft (which he should retract, given http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-1019181.html). Prepare to witness a glimpse of the delusion of the Mac user base first-hand. Strong, the reality distortion field is. |
| #5 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 6/24/2003 5:01:04 PM |
| That is true, mrsean... that was a rather odd comment. The practice of knocking off a cent, 5 cents, a dollar, etc., has been going on for a long, long time now, and there's nothing really "deceptive" about it. And all benchmarks aside, one thing is certain--the G5 offers much better performance than the G4 for the Mac platform. |
| #6 By 116 (66.69.198.173) at 6/24/2003 5:35:48 PM |
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<exit apple reality distortion field>
And for all the people who say Apple uses better quality components I am going to call bs. I have firsthand experience working at a helpdesk supporting a large base of mac users. The mac hardware has many more DOA's and general hardware failure than any of our dells had. Did Dell's break? Sure you bet. But not anywhere close to the rate of the macs. Also a Dell technician was without failure out the next day to fix the problem or replace the part that failed. Apple on the other hand took 3 MONTHS to fix a brand new G4 $4000 computer that died in the first week. Their service is horrible. </exit apple reality distortion field> |
| #7 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/24/2003 6:14:03 PM |
| This is wonderful! The one thing preventing global widescale adoption of Linux is misleading benchmarks! What a wonderful innovation coming from Apple! |
| #8 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 6/24/2003 6:58:00 PM |
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I experienced the same situation with one of our brand new G4s, RedAvenger, although I don't completely blame Apple. They did try fixing the machine a number of different ways, even replacing the system board, which didn't fix it. Finally they replaced the whole machine, but it took several months. That's several months without use of the machine, though....
However, a lot of these comments are tangential to the central issue of this post, which is that Apple is misleading customers regarding its new products, that it has continuously done so, and that the Apple drones predictably eat it up and spit it back out at the rest of the computing community. They're incredulous when anyone says anything to the contrary, defend Apple with religious fervor, and are will sometimes show almost unbelievable hypocrisy when tearing apart competitors for some of the very same things of which Apple is guilty. It's one of the most unpleasant user bases to support if they sense/smell a need to "evangelize" to you. |
| #9 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 6/24/2003 7:44:47 PM |
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Even the the register is reporting that apple is full of bs on this one. But dont worry, i'm not going to link to a reg article. You hear that Mr. Stein... NOT linking to a register article. ;-)
apple - hanging by the MS Office thread... |
| #10 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/24/2003 10:23:04 PM |
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Slashbot has an article where Apple claims it purposefully skewed the numbers because that was the only way to be fair.
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| #11 By 7711 (68.45.57.126) at 6/24/2003 10:27:35 PM |
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"it is such a superior machine to anything currently on the market. It runs like clockwork and behaves the way it should. Nothing else out there works as such. "
Maybe because Apple has a monopoly on the hardware for its products. If MS tried to dictate the precise hardware configurations for Windows, the entire computing world would be down their throats in a second. Apple can make its OS sooooooooo good because it has a very limited hardware configuration base to have to work toward, as opposed to the nearly infinite number of configurations for a Wintel machine. No wonder it will "run like clockwork"....when you define the clock.... |
| #12 By 61 (24.92.223.112) at 6/24/2003 10:52:50 PM |
| #7, seeing where as the G5 isn't even on the market either... |
| #13 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 6/25/2003 12:29:36 AM |
| jimlat, that is actually part of the appeal of the Mac, though--their "monopoly" on the hardware allows them to have much greater control over the total system, but that can be a good thing. On the other hand, it's remarkable that even while in control of the hardware, it has taken as long as it has for Apple to produce a system with the stability of OS X (more or less giving up on their own MacOS in favor of "Unix"). I don't think it's a point in favor of the Windows platform just because it has a far more difficult time in creating a final unified system of hardware and software, but I think it's a great credit to Microsoft and its partners that Windows XP supports a great multitude of hardware, offers seamless (true "plug and play") support for so many types of peripherals, and still has a system with fantastic stability. In other words, it's quite a feat that XP is just as stable as OS X considering the vast amount of hardware XP supports versus OS X, which not only supports far less, but sits on hardware designed and built specifically and exclusively for it by the very same company that wrote it. |
| #14 By 2459 (69.22.78.116) at 6/25/2003 1:07:45 AM |
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Concerning Apple build quality, I just have to pull this article again: :-)
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/02/03/BU197497.DTL Apple's never been that great with quality control or service, not even during the 80s. You'd think it would've improved the more they've utilized PC technology since the original PowerPCs. |
| #15 By 2459 (69.22.78.116) at 6/25/2003 1:55:08 AM |
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Interesting comment by Eugenia on OSNews:
"I mean, come on, iTunes and Safari are still not baby-smooth... when resizing their windows on the fastest G5! I played with the machine for a few minutes and was [again this year] negatively surprised by this simple thing that Apple still haven't being able to master with both Panther and the new CPU: scrolling and resizing. I think I will send a copy of BeOS or Windows XP to Steve Jobs for Christmas, just so he can compare." http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3877&page=2 |
| #16 By 2960 (156.80.64.196) at 6/25/2003 10:10:59 AM |
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#23,
I wouldn't cast such a large blanket there. Just like any other manufacturer or form of support, the quality of said support depends on the PEOPLE involved in that particular incident. For 5 years I was the Service Manager at an Apple Dealer in Virginia. Not only did we provide good service, we provided excellent service and were known as one of the best, if not the best, in a 3 state area. So if you want to talk about poor support, fine. It does exist. Be always be aware that there are many people out there that do a damned fine job and find blanket statements like yours insulting. I'm quite sure that someone within YOUR particular line of work sucks at what they do. That doesn't mean you do as well. TL |
| #17 By 2459 (69.22.78.116) at 6/25/2003 11:56:28 AM |
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Reread my statement. I said Apple didn't have great service. I didn't say all Apple dealers sucked.
The article I linked to was even about dealers'/customers' problems with Apple, not problems with dealers. This post was edited by n4cer on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 11:58. |
| #18 By 2459 (69.22.78.116) at 6/25/2003 12:10:09 PM |
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If Apple used "quality" components like Apple zealots always say, they wouldn't have 60% defect ratios. This isn't new either. If I can find it, there's another article from an earlier period that showed almost the same ratio. IIRC, when I calculated it out, it was 58%.
TThere's plenty of stories though: Cracked cubes, pencil marks (cosmetic), smelly plastic, PC parts not up to current PC standards [besides the already late adoption] (IDE ports that only support one drive), a browser that can wipe your harddrive, RAM that seemingly doesn't match bus bandwidth, an OS that can wipe your harddrive by plugging in an external storage device, insecure root access using sudo, continually deceptive benchmarking, etc., etc.. The fact remains that it's possible to build a better PC with the highest quality components for a cheaper price and have fewer/no problems. Sad, considering Apple controls their specs and only builds a few different hardware configurations. This post was edited by n4cer on Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 12:17. |
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