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  Analyst Says SCO 'Proof' Shows Credible Claim
Time: 11:37 EST/16:37 GMT | News Source: CRN | Posted By: Jonathan Tigner

One of the first observers to see the evidence in the SCO Group's intellectual-property claim against IBM and the Linux community says there are direct similarities between the Unix code that SCO claims control over and the Linux operating system.

"My impression is that [SCO's claim] is credible," says Laura DiDio, a Yankee Group analyst who was shown the evidence by SCO Group earlier this week. "It appears to be the same" code. But DiDio says the developing battle could hinge on legal fine points that are hard to sort out in the current atmosphere of claims, denials, and counterclaims.

Apparently the most telling evidence is that parts of the SCO code and Linux code include identical annotations made by developers when they wrote the programs, says DiDio, who compares such notes to the signature or fingerprint of a developer's work. "The fact that these appear to be transposed from Unix System V into Linux I find to be very damaging." DiDio says she was shown several instances where the source code and developer's comments in one operating system were the same as in the other operating system.

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#1 By 7390 (198.246.16.251) at 6/6/2003 12:09:44 PM
How dare SCO have a credible claim, this can't be. The Linus boys can't be wrong. This only means that IBM will have to open it's check book and buy SCO.

#2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/6/2003 12:21:51 PM
Hmm, did you see how slashdot spun this? They threw it in a batch of other SCO updates, and then at the very end states... "One non-programmer corporate analyst has looked at SCO's alleged evidence." No mention of conclusions... just oh yeah, we've already rejected this and...

Amazing.

#3 By 10896 (65.213.122.66) at 6/6/2003 12:50:18 PM
Knew it all along that Linux had stole a lot of code from Unix
Go SCO and destroy yhem

#4 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/6/2003 12:53:27 PM
linuxhippie - Now you're talking! :)

No seriously, I don't have a problem with Linux but I do have a problem with the community's general lack of respect for other peoples work.

#5 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/6/2003 2:50:10 PM
Is there a community or isn't there? There is this group over on slashbot, it includes Eric Raymond and Bruce Perens and such and they talk about themselves as though they are the Linux Community.

Are you claiming they don't exist?

#6 By 7797 (63.76.44.252) at 6/6/2003 3:22:57 PM
The sodablue Hall of Shame:

"Linux which is motivated entirely from hatred of Microsoft products"

"OSS development is cheaper... partly true, but since it's unreliable and slower you position yourself with a competitive disadvantage."

"The large problem is really that most open source zealots do not have any understanding of the computer world."

"The US should start investigating on whether Linux exists because of illegal dumping by foreign companies."

"most GPL code is of dubius quality"

"I don't have a problem with Linux but I do have a problem with the community's general lack of respect for other peoples work."

#7 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/6/2003 3:32:36 PM
linuxhippie - IBM hasn't been the one acting shamefully in response to the lawsuit.

#8 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/6/2003 4:37:54 PM
Let's see: this person is clearly not a programmer, nevermind someone with extensive Unix experience. How does this person know that SCO actually owns and can restrict the copying of the code shown to these people? (Whether or not SCO owns ANY code, they clearly do not own huge chuncks of UnixWare.)

I understand how comments can be damning, but it actually indicates the code is different--so are these comments of the general type which could appear in numerous places in all sorts of code (it seems like if there was some modification, the comments would actually refer to these mods rather than remaining the same)? If the code is different and the comments are the same, has anything inappropriate actually happened?

Was this "analyst" told when the code was added to UnixWare and when it was added to Linux? For all we know this was copied from Linux into UnixWare.

The NDA is superbly ludicrous and suggests that "analysts" may receive remuneration for their work. Was this woman paid?

Everyone here loves to question the motivation and reliability of analysts--where did that scepticism go? It's interesting to note that IDC turned down the opportunity as they felt they would not be given the necessary access to make any determination whatsoever.

#9 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/6/2003 5:29:53 PM
Oi, parker, even if Novell was hasty in their previous position, the history of Unix shows that substantial portions of it were contributed from the public, and these portions have not been copyrighted and cannot be copyrighted (there are too many implementations in all sorts of code throughout the world over the past 30 years).

You are too simple minded to understand that most of SCO's bullsh!t is simply that. There is NO WAY that SCO owns 100% of the code found in its own operating system. The AT&T vs. BSD case proved this. Did Novell agree to transfer their patents and copyrights to Unix to SCO? Maybe. That doesn't mean that every bit of code in UnixWare is patented/copyrighted and/or owned by SCO.

I'm not sure they've even said that--though they've gotten close to it--they were definitely talking Bill Clinton-style (dependes on what is is). Yet, you for some ridiculous reason actually believe SCO owns ALL of the code in Unixware? I don't think a single OS has a single copyright holder, nevermind the frankenstein of OSes.

This post was edited by sodajerk on Friday, June 06, 2003 at 17:47.

#10 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/6/2003 5:53:10 PM
linuxhippie - It really isn't that hard, if you'd stop confusing yourself.

bluesky - I wish that were true, but I have yet to meet many responsible Linux advocates. The people you describe are just normal IT people, not advocates.

sodajerk - Nice to see you following the Slashbot ABMer corporate line! Wouldn't want any original thinking out of you.

This post was edited by sodablue on Friday, June 06, 2003 at 18:10.

#11 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/6/2003 6:35:20 PM
What the hell does being opposed to SCO have to do with being an ABMer, soda?

Oh that's right, in your delusional world, everything is about Microsoft.

And, again, what happened to your scepticism re: analysts?

And what is this slashdot spin you are talking about? There are five stories: the first is pro-SCO, the second's in German so who knows, you've got some editorial from Cringeley, and this story from an analyst none of us has ever heard from, and finally a simple notice of another PR to come. Then you say "No mention of conclusions..." (wouldn't have to do with with running out of space after linking to 5 stories would it) yet then you state what the conclusion is that YOU draw (despite the complete lack of any commentary)! Whatever, fan boy.

#12 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/6/2003 7:46:19 PM
LOL, jerky boy! Consistent as ever.

#13 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/6/2003 8:05:32 PM
Uh, Parker, you refuse to listen. There are about 10 years of code added to Unix that NO ONE bothered or attempted to copyright. Including AT&T. Just because this code is "packaged" with copyrighted code, doesn't mean the owner of a portion of the code OWNS all the code.

McBride saying otherwise is the retarded part (I mentioned that earlier), and McNealy saying he's immune because he is doesn't mean SCO owns it.

"If Scott McNeally admits SCO owns Unix, then SCO owns Unix."

That's really your argument, parker? Brilliant!

And how does this quote (“You have no IP issues [with Solaris],” he claimed. “We’ve got a free and clear SCO license, all up, all in, there’s no issues there. Your audit committee won’t get a letter because you’re using Solaris. That feels good.”) translate to "We beleive that SCO does in fact own all of Unix."?

#14 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/6/2003 8:06:15 PM
soda, avoiding every simple, little question as per the usual.

#15 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 6/6/2003 8:15:02 PM
jerk, etc... its really funny... no matter how close minded you are... Microsoft will win in the end. Deep down you already know that. But its funny to watch you waste so much time.

#16 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/6/2003 8:17:51 PM
yeah, I'm so freakin close-minded I don't even see this as a Microsoft issue.

#17 By 3653 (209.149.57.116) at 6/7/2003 4:24:20 PM
knapier, i dont want to see linux die. I think what you witness on sites like this (from people like me) is a general distaste for the ARROGANCE of linux lovers, etc. Yeah, yeah, I know they aren't all like that, but not all Windows users are like me either.

Windows has faults. I struggle with it at times, but in no way is the piece-mill method of linux development a proper way to build a tool that I (my company) must rely on. And to suggest (no, take that back... to SELL) linux as being anything else... is dishonest.

cba 3.14 - no, i dont back the eventual winner everytime. CHECK THE WEBSITE. Its activeWIN. This is the place for WINDOWS news and opinion. I happen to be a windows enthusiast... so where do you expect me to be? Dont blame me for Microsoft's success. They would be successful without my rants. If you want to see me wrong, go hit the replaytv boards or something.

#18 By 931 (66.156.1.228) at 6/8/2003 7:07:57 AM
agreed.

#19 By 16797 (65.48.179.35) at 6/8/2003 4:36:10 PM
Now, things ARE getting serious :)
Here's another one:

http://eet.com/sys/news/OEG20030606S0039

Analysts who saw the samples of the allegedly stolen code said the evidence is damaging and that SCO Group has a formidable legal case.

“If everything SCO showed me today is true, then the Linux community should be very concerned,” said Bill Claybrook, research director for Linux and open-source software at the Aberdeen Group (Boston).

“It's very unlikely that code and comments could be identical by pure chance,” Claybrook said.


#20 By 135 (208.50.204.91) at 6/8/2003 10:16:58 PM
knapier - "but I dont want to see it completely die off like some here seem to want"

I don't want to see it completely die off. I don't know of anybody who does.

I just want to see the false claims cease, and unfortunately I am also not immune to hyperbole to make a point. If Microsoft is evil, then Linux is the spawn of Hera.

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