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| Time: 08:45 EST/13:45 GMT | News Source: Seattle Times | Posted By: Bill Roach | ||
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Five hundred years after Gutenberg's press enabled society to print and disseminate documents, Microsoft may have found a way to stop all that sharing. Yesterday the company unveiled Windows Rights Management Services, a set of technologies that will enable companies and governments to control who sees their documents and e-mail. If the software becomes widely used, as some predict, it will enable publishers, governments and corporations to place strict controls on all sorts of documents and media created and displayed on computers. | ||
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| #1 By 11888 (64.230.17.30) at 2/22/2003 11:45:30 AM |
| This doesn't sound good at all. |
| #2 By 7390 (63.211.44.114) at 2/22/2003 12:52:56 PM |
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I am not fully aware of the technical aspects of this tool but in general security only works when there is good administration and when users follow the protocols and procedures. I am guessing that most networks Admin didn't set up group policy to have their users change their passwords every month. Nothing is fool proof :) also with the proliferation of digitial camera and ofcourse "alt + print screen" there will always be leaks. And won't a good hacker find the password or obtain enough rights to change the permissoin level on the documents, if it is that important?
How many SQL server DB still have "Sa with no passwords"? No to mention since this is being produced by MS this will be a major magnet for hackers. |
| #3 By 135 (208.50.206.187) at 2/22/2003 1:33:22 PM |
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BTW...
This is Palladium, or at least the software aspect of it. This post was edited by sodablue on Saturday, February 22, 2003 at 13:33. |
| #4 By 2459 (24.170.151.19) at 2/22/2003 3:43:45 PM |
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Palladium (now known as Next Generation Secure Computing Base) doesn't use TCPA. The hardware component of NGSCB has some similarities to TCPA, but is less restrictive (can run unsigned code, no control over the boot process, etc.). NGSCB does not require hardware support. You can gain greater security by also having the hardware present and enabled, but not every component of NGSCB will require it. The security features will scale depending upon what's present.
This does seem to be the beginnings of NGSCB, as document protection was one of it's touted features. Longhorn will extend this type of functionality. BTW, Intel was showing off similar protection capabilities using the security features of their processors. http://news.com.com/2014-1089-0.html?tag=vid# (Windows Media Video) |
| #5 By 11888 (64.230.49.124) at 2/22/2003 3:58:19 PM |
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It's going to be hard to prove that anyone illegally destroyed documents if you can't prove that the documents ever existed in the first place.
This is Microsoft. They're going to screw it up. It'll be cracked in no time, then ever worse than no security is a false sense of security. What if this screws up and no one can get into the information that they need? That's a fear of having only electronic records in the first place, but wrapping them in layers of security can only make it more dangerous. Obviously anyone trying to sell the idea of this technology is going to put a positive spin on it, but it seems like a knee-jerk reaction with too many "what ifs" that aren't answered yet. I think I'm going to get out my copy of 1984 and read it again. |
| #6 By 3653 (216.153.67.116) at 2/22/2003 7:53:50 PM |
| MrRoper... this isn't some panzy software to stop mp3 sharing. We are talking about internal sensitive documents. Attempts to crack... will lead to prosecution. THAT is the difference. |
| #7 By 2231 (68.100.44.222) at 2/22/2003 8:29:27 PM |
| Open source is looking better all the time. |
| #8 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 2/22/2003 9:06:01 PM |
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This is a very important technology and one that shouldn't be misunderstood. Distributed rights are one of the reasons that technologies such as Kerberos were developed. Liberty Alliance and Passport competitors in another area of distributed trust. This rights management software is another area of distributed trust.
The concept behind this technology is usage rights. The idea of usage rights is something as old as operating systems. In UNIX, Linux, Windows (with NTFS) you can set simple file permissions - read, execute, write, delete, etc. This technology furthers the usage set of permissions on files. It also extends it past the reach of the server (or set of servers) where the document originated and the userbase that server (or set of servers) understand. This technology can certainly be used foolishly, illegally, or anti-competitively (which would be both foolish and illegal). It can also be used wisely and and enhance the quality of our lives. I don't endorse or denounce this technology from Microsoft. I don't have enough experience with it to say I like the implementation or that I don't. I do endorse research in the area of distributed trust and usage rights. They are vital to any organization - open source, closed source, shared source / book publishers, software vendors, music companies, or governments. I think the knee jerk reaction that is most common when looking at this technology is "oh no, they are after my mp3's". I think that is a fallacy. Without addressing my personal views on piracy, I think that this technology is very important. And, yes, I'd say that if Sun were doing it and not Microsoft. |
| #9 By 2459 (24.170.151.19) at 2/23/2003 12:21:59 AM |
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nomdlev:
n4cer, Will you take this opportunity along with me to denounce the nefarious intentions of these technologies and endorse the most advanced platform on the market today, Mac OS X? Sorry nom. I like my journaling file system and multibutton mouse too much to switch. :-) |
| #10 By 11888 (64.230.74.74) at 2/23/2003 12:20:30 PM |
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" I really wish everyone would stop trying to paint our current technological situation as being Orwellian. It's not. Get over yourself. You really aren't important enough to matter. "
Show of hands. How many people can see that this statement alone is Orwellian? Sheesh. And n4cer, I just checked and OS X has a JFS and supports multibutton mice. This post was edited by MrRoper on Sunday, February 23, 2003 at 12:23. |
| #11 By 2459 (24.170.151.19) at 2/23/2003 3:55:25 PM |
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Journaling on OS X is basically an add-on, not supported on client machines, and can cause a performance hit of 10 - 15%. It can also cause problems with some applications.
I have none of these concerns currently with NTFS, and with the next OS, MS is moving beyond NTFS. RE: Multibutton mice Why go against the will of Steve God..uh Jobs? :-) There are many other factors besides JFS and mice. Above all is the price/performance/extensibility factor, but that's already well known. |
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