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| Time: 08:35 EST/13:35 GMT | News Source: New York Times | Posted By: Bill Roach | ||
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There is no question that Microsoft Windows, the name of the dominant personal computer operating system, is one of the leading brands in the world. Today, Windows is the face of computing for nearly 400 million people worldwide - the software that determines the look and basic operations of more than 90 per cent of PCs. But success, money and monopoly, it seems, do not put even so familiar a name as Microsoft Windows beyond challenge. An upstart company, Lindows.com, is trying to persuade the United States District Court in Seattle to invalidate Microsoft's trademark on Windows. At issue is the level of legal protection that should, or should not, be accorded to an ordinary word that Microsoft adopted as its own: windows. | ||
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| #1 By 6859 (204.71.100.218) at 12/30/2002 9:56:55 AM |
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I think it has more to do with the mentality of the programmers, and is not a Linux issue. Programmer "A" sees a product, but thinks parts of it aren't right (his definition), and makes a competiting product that follows from his programming ethic and mentality. Sure they're damn near the same, but to Programmer "A" it's "different enough" and it's done "right."
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| #2 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 12/30/2002 10:51:48 AM |
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Man, I was just looking at that Lycoris site. Could that copy any more from WindowsXP?
Linux: Once again proving that there is no such thing as an original thought |
| #3 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 12/30/2002 12:00:10 PM |
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> Man, I was just looking at that Lycoris site. Could that copy any more from WindowsXP?
Stop being an ignorant prick. Who's being the ignorant prick here? Look at this screenshot: http://www.lycoris.com/images/desktopdetail.gif And tell me that isn't a direct copy from Windows XP. All they did was change the color of the monitor screen to green. Or this: http://www.lycoris.com/images/cleandesktopsmall.gif http://www.lycoris.com/images/mlssmall.gif http://www.lycoris.com/images/pfsmall.gif Dear Lord, all the did was replace the "Documents" in "My Documents" with "Personal Files". The rest is almost exactly the same. Some people say that MS copies from Apple in terms of design. One could intelligently argue either way as the issue is somewhat gray. But this is flat out plagarism. There is no argument, it is almost a direct copy from Windows XP. > Linux: Once again proving that there is no such thing as an original thought Do you mean Linux in general (kernel design, shells, programming languages, etc.) or for user interface (GNOME, KDE, etc.)? Yes. Linux was derrived from Minix, IIRC. The kernel design has evolved, but includes no fundamentally new design concepts, it's a grab bag from other OSes and designs. Wait, I'm sorry, they included the "Low scalability" feature which makes Linux a poor choice for highly scalable applications. That is, unless you throw a couple dozen boxes at the problem that one high-end Unix or Windows Datacenter box could handle on its own. As for the UI, KDE and Gnome are built upon older X technologies and window managers. Sure, they have fancier graphics and such. KDE and Gnome both get their foundations from windows (task bar on the bottom by default, "start" button which pops up the main menu, icons in the upper-left starting with a "My Computer"-like browser, integrated Web Browser with the file system **, etc) -d ** Note that the Penguinistas chastize MS for having an integrated web browser, but then they take the opportunity to copy that idea in all their desktop environments. |
| #4 By 11888 (64.230.73.245) at 12/30/2002 12:39:44 PM |
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I don't think Linux is trying to play catch up to Windows. #14 sees what I see. They're trying to appeal to the 400 million Windows users. The 25 million Mac users tend to know where they want to stay. . .with Apple. The thought must be 'if we can copy the UI they will come'. Not sure that'll work. Linux would be further ahead to try and develop the next big UI thing.
Thinking more about it, average Joe computer user will just be more confused. 'It looks like Windows. . .but doesn't run Windows applications?!" |
| #5 By 9589 (68.17.52.2) at 12/30/2002 4:49:07 PM |
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This is another non-story hyping Lindows. An article posted to this site a few weeks ago happened to mention that Wal Mart is selling about a thousand of these Lindows boxes a month. That's twelve thousand a year. Given that computer systems sold world wide are over a 130 million units a year, this is truly a pittance.
I guess you can chaulk it up to a slow news period given the holidays and all if it weren't for the constant hyping like this article all year long by the tech press over virtually nothing. |
| #6 By 6859 (204.71.100.218) at 12/30/2002 5:16:09 PM |
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"...Wal Mart is selling about a thousand of these Lindows boxes a month."
I wonder what percentage of those machines are being formatted and having something else installed on them? |
| #7 By 8589 (66.169.175.34) at 12/30/2002 6:58:30 PM |
| The issue is about the naming of the product. And it is a ripoff of the Windows name. Just as Sharmin would be a ripoff of Charmin, Zeerocks of Xerox, VuZonic of Viewsonic, etc... |
| #8 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 12/31/2002 1:32:04 AM |
| Apple is almost everywhere? |
| #9 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 12/31/2002 10:05:38 AM |
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Bizazz - "The Open source community will inevitably be more creative because creativity demands freedom to express itself, you can't place people in a straight-jacket and expect them to be inventive... "
Ahh, it's always so nice when someone starts off an argument with a failed premise. It makes it so easy to discount the rest of their post. Rambo2000 - ROTFL! You aren't serious are you? Is this another nomdlev troll? "Parker, I'm guessing around 2005 Linux will have around 50%, around 2010, windows might not be around or will only be a small market like the Apple Mac is now" LOL! "Linux does come up with many good ideas, many that windows doesn't have" Really? Name 10. You never answered by questions from the other day. How long have you been using Linux? How many years do you have in the industry? What kind of experience do you have supporting endusers at larger companies? I'll give you the answers for myself... I've used Linux for 10 years, since 1992. I've been working in the industry for 12 years, but I have been involved with personal computers for 20. I've worked in a University environment, a small business and half a dozen Fortune 500 companies doing everything from end-user support for a group of 400 to web app deployments. When you're done with that, I'd like you to detail exactly why you think Linux is better than Microsoft, trying to avoid words like "Microsoft is evil" would be a big help, and also ignoring the cost differential. I want to know how it's better on purely technical terms, especially in relation to efficiency gains to the end user and support staffs. This post was edited by sodablue on Tuesday, December 31, 2002 at 10:12. |
| #10 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 12/31/2002 1:19:09 PM |
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Rambo2000 - "Sodablue, remember what I said?, I don't care what you say, I said that because I've seen enough on here to see that you've made your mind up and nothing will change that apart from force over time, and I'm not writeing here for you, more for the open minded people who do want choice, I've seen enough of what you say to say you are bias with it so what you say means very little. "
I think it's important for you to answer the questions I posed so that we have some understanding of your background with computer systems to know whether or not your opinions are well informed. "By the way, do you get paid to develope?, if you do then that explains why you perfer windows, because Linux could put you out of a job, so in affect, you are just covering your own back and not really looking at whats best for the mass market, thats if you are a developer, most who fear Linux are the ones who lose out the most, but eh, why should I care about them?, I'm more intrested in whats best for the people, not your pocket." People? From reading your posts it's clear that you only care about yourself, so I find it incredibly interesting that you claim my caring about what's best for me, my family, my customers and so forth makes me biased when you display the exact same bias. The difference is, I've worked in the industry for quite a long time, whereas it's clear you have not and as such your view of what is best for you is extremely limited and short-sighted. I have a very open mind, however I am not at all interested in debating issues with people who are uninformed and are unwilling to learn. There is simply no excuse in this world for remaining ignorant. |
| #11 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 12/31/2002 3:34:22 PM |
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Rambo, you and Bizazz are the same guy, right? If not, it's sad that you both think so much alike and are both wrong.
Rambo, after a few economics courses and a few computer science classes, you'll likely discover that you have no idea what you are talking about. Post some credentials. Post some proofs. Heck, even post some case studies (of parallel markets). Post some decent logic, or take some classes to get some experience and learn you don't know what you are talking about. At any rate, you stated your claim several times, don't bother posting it again. |
| #12 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 12/31/2002 4:13:00 PM |
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Just for the record, putting people in a research academic environment and giving them gobs of cash will yield far greater results as far as innovation than having a bunch of poorly shaven drop-outs living in their mothers' basements will.
MS has one of the largest research endevors in the world with hundreds of research scientists and billions of dollars at their disposal. They have innovated many products, new interfaces, devices and software for assisting disabled people, better globalization in software, etc, etc, etc. Most of it has not yet hit the market, but much of it has. Windows 2000 and now XP have the most comprehensive implementations of globalization technology including support for many dozens of languages including Far East languages. Windows also provides many resources for disabled people including the blind, deaf, physically impaired and mentally impaired. No other operating system comes close. These are all first-order innovations, no copying or duplication. Linux doesn't have anything. Everything they have is copied or derrived from something else. That's ok, mind you, but just don't say that the Open Source community has ever produced an original idea because they haven't yet. Perhaps in the future, but to date nothing to speak of. |
| #13 By 5444 (67.1.36.184) at 1/1/2003 5:54:41 PM |
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Daz,
Normally I would agree in most things. Although in the globalization and internationalization platforms. With Pango I would say that Gnome is light years ahead in this department. Unfortantly they don't have any good fonts to support the work done. Lets just hope that MS follows suit. Of course with MS supporting win 9x based on a code page enviroment until recently. There is a reason for the full lack of support. Windows 2k and XP have gone along ways to allow for internationalization. but not as far as pango went. El |
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