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Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java | |
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| Time: 05:38 EST/10:38 GMT | News Source: The Register | Posted By: Bill Roach | ||
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Microsoft Corp is believed to have trained its acquisition crosshairs on Macromedia Inc, lining up a deal that would throw enterprise Java into a spin, Gavin Clarke writes. Industry and analyst sources believe Microsoft covets San Francisco, California-based Macromedia's Flash vector graphics design tool and player, which was radically updated this year. | ||
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| #1 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 12/23/2002 8:51:09 AM |
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z, what? Did I understand you correctly? Visio has improved significantly since Microsoft bought it. Does it not seem that way to you? This post was edited by BobSmith on Monday, December 23, 2002 at 08:51. |
| #2 By 20 (143.166.82.240) at 12/23/2002 10:38:34 AM |
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So what does this have to do with Enterprise Java?
(hint: Macromedia is not really an enterprise Java player. JRun is not a leading application server compared with WebSphere and WebLogic) |
| #3 By 2332 (65.221.182.3) at 12/23/2002 1:09:56 PM |
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First, I find the conclusions of this article HIGHLY unlikely. They give no source as evidence for Microsoft's planned take over of Macromedia, and the reasons they give for their speculation are specious at best.
For instance: "Microsoft's own scripting efforts are regarded as relatively inferior to the cross-platform Flash, which now supports XML, Unicode, MP3 and HTML and which was taken closer towards Java 2 Enterprise Edition (J2EE) in 2002." Huh? What do they mean by scripting efforts? Window's has perhaps the best scripting support of ANY OS thanks to Windows Scripting Host and COM. Do they mean ASP? ASP is not simply scripting, it's a platform for dynamic web sites (as most of you know), and was never regarded as inferior to Flash, because Flash is completely different. At any rate, ASP "supports" XML, Unicode, MP3, and HTML. Oh, and J2EE has NOTHING TO DO WITH FLASH... one is a presentation layer component, and one is a standard that defines backend software design. "Flash would give Microsoft access to tools for building rich interfaces on both desktops and mobile devices, furthering .NET." What mobile devices currently support flash other than PocketPC? Microsoft has long been a proponent of DHTML as a ubiquitous user interface. (Probably because they were so stung by their ActiveX Controls in browsers strategy of a few years back.) Also, Microsoft is targeting WinForms as the "rich client" interface of choice, which is one reason why they've been supporting multi-platform .NET stuff, and the .NET compact framework for mobile devices. "The ColdFusion web application server is regarded as superior to Microsoft's Active Server Pages (ASPs) and even Santa Clara, California-based Sun's Java Server Pages (JSPs) because of its simplicity, power and completeness." Modern CF might be superior to ASP, but only because ASP is a 7+ year old technology that has not really changed. It hasn't been until the most recent release of CF that I would even consider using it over ASP. But guess what... ASP IS IRRELEVANT. ASP.NET has entirely replaced ASP (as far as Microsoft is concerned, at least), and is FAR superior to CF in almost every possible way. CF does have a less dramatic learning curve, but that's only because it's a platform meant for RAD, not for serious applications. (Of course, they market it for everybody.) Nobody who has done any serious development in CF and in ASP.NET honestly considers CF a real option for enterprise development. Really, the same goes for JSP and CF... JSP is for enterprises, CF is for dinky sites that need dynamic abilities quickly... but nothing fancy. This has, to some extent, changed with the integration of J2EE stuff into CF... but the integration between the two is clumsy (at least from my experience), and a pure JSP/J2EE solution is almost always a better choice. "The J2EE community sorely lacks a programming environment that can make Java more accessible to mainstream developers." What does that mean? Stupid developers? If you can't write Java, you shouldn't be considering yourself a developer at all. Java is a very simple and powerful language, and while applying J2EE technologies can take some thinking, it's certainly not brain surgery. Also, IBM offers an EXCELLENT IDE called Eclipse that in many ways rivals VS.NET. "A Microsoft acquisition of Macromedia would inevitably see Flash, and Macromedia's other cross-platform tools, tailored purely for Windows and .NET." Then what would be the point!? If Microsoft wants Macromedia so they can target cross platforms with rich UI, but they plan to make it Windows only, why buy Macromedia? Why not just use WinForms, which is, for the time being, primarily Windows only... and is FAR more powerful than Flash. Get a clue The Register... or at least get a developer on the writing team to check your drivel. |
| #4 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 12/23/2002 4:36:22 PM |
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I've worked in several enterprise companies that used Java and JRun was never mentioned. I'd like to see your stats on how JRun is an enterprise competitor.
Up until just their last version, their EJB support was very light and didn't support most of the features that the other app servers did. It's certainly not the level of WebLogic and WebSphere. You never see it in any of the benchmarks of J2EE vs. XYZ. I think you're a little mistaken about the important JRun plays in the J2EE Enterprise space. |
| #5 By 135 (208.50.206.187) at 12/23/2002 8:31:56 PM |
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Ceazar - But it's Java...
You can easily unplug JRun and plug in Websphere in it's place and your software will run well without modification. Er, well, in theory anyway... ;-) |
| #6 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 12/24/2002 12:02:23 AM |
| kev, yep! All Java app servers are not created equal. Even Sun admits (i'll find the McNeally link if you REALLY want me too, but it won't be till after Christmas) that the different app servers have extensions, so you can't expect an app that runs on one to run on another. |
| #7 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 12/24/2002 4:03:44 PM |
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#15: Right.
It was horrible in EJB 1.x because almost nothing was the same. EJB 1.x was lacking in so many areas that to stay competitive, AppServer makers had to add in a bunch of proprietary stuff like transaction support, etc. EJB 2 is a huge step forward, but it's still not 100%. You still cannot drag most applications from one container to another and expect it to work 100%. |
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