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| Time: 13:14 EST/18:14 GMT | News Source: E-Mail | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Forcing Microsoft Corp. to include the latest version of Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Java programming language in Windows would restore competitive fairness between the companies, an economist testified Wednesday. Sun, based in Santa Clara, Calif., is seeking a temporary injunction against Microsoft during hearings this week in U.S. District Court in Baltimore. | ||
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| #1 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 12/4/2002 1:43:22 PM |
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Since when was it the Government/Judicial-System's job to make everything fair?
It's not about fair, it's about competition. The whole point about competition is gaining an edge on your opponent (so long as you don't violate laws in the process). What MS has done is perfectly legal. They had a civil problem with the MS JVM, but that has already been resolved in another court case and MS has complied 100% with the ruling. This lawsuit is completely frivolous and, if anything, COMPLETELY unfair to Microsoft, not to mention EVERY OTHER SOFTWARE COMPANY who _WON'T_ get an opportunity to get their software shipped FREE-OF-COST by MS with all their operating systems on almost every PC shipped in the future. This is completely ridiculous and the fact that the judge is even considering it is scary. |
| #2 By 1643 (205.240.158.3) at 12/4/2002 1:59:37 PM |
| Waiting for FinancialWiz to impart his deceitful wisdom... |
| #3 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 12/4/2002 4:14:58 PM |
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daz - "Since when was it the Government/Judicial-System's job to make everything fair? It's not about fair, it's about competition."
That's always been the role of Government. You cannot have useful competition, unless it is fair competition. That's why Free Trade is such an important concept, and barriers to trade are a bad idea for the long term effectiveness of your country and markets. However, that doesn't mean I feel Sun's arguments have merits. I believe the playing field is already level as far as Java is concerned, the reason Java has failed because it does not suit the needs of it's users. |
| #4 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 12/4/2002 6:38:10 PM |
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#7: soda, no, you have it wrong. The government is supposed to make the marketplace fair in the sense that corporations don't hire armies and kill the competition (literally), or force people at gunpoint to buy products, etc.
The government does that just fine. It is _NOT_ the government's responsibility to find a failing company like Sun and give it some unfair bonuses at the expense of Microsoft to make sure that Sun has a "fair" shake. Sun already had a fair shake and blew it, too bad, that's life and that's competition. Companies grow and companies die, that's life and that's capitalism. Sun lost, it's over, the court SHOULD NOT be forcing MS to do anything to help Sun. That flies in the face of all that is American and Capitalist. Take your Marxist ideas back to China, only Free and Capitalist ideas here please :) |
| #5 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 12/4/2002 7:09:07 PM |
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nomdlev - "How can a liberal Democrat like you espouse the virtues of free trade."
First of all I'm not a liberal Democrat. But Free Trade is a liberal concept, so it's not clear that there would be any discrepancy here anyhow. JWM - Microsoft has made many products, but that by itself does not guarantee success. C# will likely dominate over Java, but it will do so because it's a more elegant solution. I don't think you appreciate the difference between the language grammar(which is good) and the JVM concept(which is bad). daz - Nope that's what I said, and to think I didn't have to rely on blaming Communism to achieve it. |
| #6 By 7390 (63.211.44.114) at 12/4/2002 7:53:03 PM |
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#12, what the hell are you talking about?
"When I compare this experience with using the .Net IDE, I would consider Sun's case a great deal more favorably if I had seen substantial action on their part in this area." what does that have to do with the price of tea in the China? and even more importantly what does that have to do with sun (little S) wanting MS to do their work for them? |
| #7 By 931 (67.35.55.249) at 12/4/2002 9:07:18 PM |
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"if Sun owned the desktop and created Java it would be successful now. Having control of the OS is would kept Java down, not the language itself. In fact Bill liked it so much he recreated it in Visual J#, which is now C#. "
..yeah and look at the whole rush of people who have started developing in j#... I think it's like 5 people total.. the only purpose for j# is a migration path from the msjvm. Java is pretty dead.. and Sun killed it years ago.. MS in now just nailing the coffin shut with .net dont know wtf suns problem is anyway.. people atm still gotta download a 25mb .net runtime just like the 10mb sun\ms vjm... so wtf?? Scotts on crack as usual, and lacking a real vision or viable stratagy he's pissing into the wind over and over again with these law suits. The funny thing is that even if MS included there piss poor vjm in windows it's would not make a bit of difference.. just as before people would choose not to program for it.. I'm really waiting for the day Bill gets hires a much of people for $50 a head to hang outside Suns offices and Moon them :--) (or even better outside court..lol) This case should have been dismissed on it's face.. |
| #8 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/4/2002 10:31:08 PM |
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J, I know you know the difference between J++ and J#, please don't confuse the two.
J++ was created as part of VisualStudio to write Java apps - cross platform and Windows only apps. J# was created as an upgrade path for those that had J++ applications. C# is unrelated to either of them. |
| #9 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 12/5/2002 4:19:06 AM |
| I meant with respect to Java, C# isn't related to J++ or J#. |
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