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| Time: 15:28 EST/20:28 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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SAN FRANCISCO--Oracle urged thousands of IT managers at its annual conference to ditch Microsoft and IBM e-mail systems in favor of Oracle's Collaboration Suite. At OracleWorld on Monday, the company announced a new version of the collaboration program, a set of e-mail, calendar, Web conferencing and voice mail tools, set for arrival June 2003. The business software maker released the first version of the product in October. Oracle plans to add instant messaging, online whiteboard and other online applications supporting teamwork to the new release. | ||
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| #1 By 7390 (63.211.44.114) at 11/12/2002 4:55:21 PM |
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Why don't Oracle focus on their DB and try to stem the tide users switching to SQL Server.
Instead they are trying to battle the Exchange team, brilliant. |
| #2 By 7390 (63.211.44.114) at 11/12/2002 7:18:46 PM |
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once again my point is this! SQL server is taking away Oracle's market share. Call me strange but why not focus on your core competence and sure that up before embarking on something that you have no experience in. DB2 and SQL server will soon make Oracle a non player in their own space and what does Oracle do? build a mail server, I meant a coloboration tool.
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| #3 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 11/12/2002 8:30:02 PM |
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Oracle urges to switch email servers: LOL ROFL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh man, that's the funniest thing I've heard since Oracle tried to establish itself as an enterprise application J2EE server with Oracle 9i. I'm still laughing at that one. Do they even make databases anymore? Every place I've worked that uses Oracle considers their Oracle servers "legacy". It's almost like Novell all over again. |
| #4 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 11/12/2002 10:02:18 PM |
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#6: Just because Oracle says they're doing it doesn't mean that:
a.) It's worth 2 craps b.) It actually does what they say it does In fact, if it's Oracle, it's probably neither. Novell had GroupWise, and it was a flaming pile of pig vomit (yes, even more so than Lotus Notes). Anyone can say they have group messaging, but it doesn't mean anything. I see Oracle slapping shoddy software on top of their database (like all their other products) as an excuse for people to buy their database. Oracle is a database company and everything they do is to get people to buy their database. Do you want your enterprise messaging dependent upon a company who cares 99% about their database customers and 1% for their messaging customers? MS on the other hand is a full-time enterprise player. OS, Database, Messaging, Collaboration, and everything else. MS has a proven track record of delivering a large product like SQL Server, Exchange, BizTalk, and countless others and sticking through with it until the end, if there is one. Oracle, on the other hand, has a track record of making up apps, slapping them together, conning a bunch of companies to buy them, and then ditch support for them when the Next Big Thing (tm) comes along. It's obvious that Ellison is so blinded by his jealousy of Gates that he's willing to throw everything, including his own company at MS in the hopes that something will stick. It's unethical because the millions of saps who own Oracle stock are going to be the biggest losers in this war he cannot win. |
| #5 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 11/12/2002 10:04:25 PM |
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P.S.- That's not to say that someone couldn't beat MS, in fact, there are many examples of that. It's just to say that Oracle is going about it the wrong way. Rather than making a good product and marketing it on it's merits, they're basically saying, "M$ SUX0RS, BUY US TO SHOW GATES HOW MUCH OF A F4G0T HE IS" and it's retarded.
Sounds kinda like the Democratic 2002 mid-term campaign, "Republicans are evil, vote for us, we're less evil!" and look where it landed the Democrats. You can't win by making people hate the other guy, you have to convince customers that you REALLY ARE better. And, unfortunately, Oracle is not, so they won't win. |
| #6 By 3653 (65.190.70.73) at 11/12/2002 11:33:40 PM |
| Microsoft can only hope that Oracle's Exchange-Killer will be as wildly successful as their [chuckle] app server. |
| #7 By 20 (24.243.41.64) at 11/13/2002 10:31:59 AM |
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#14: You can get volume licensing arrangements from Microsoft. It would be far less than $20k.
Also, add to this that a competent professional rarely needs support from Microsoft, so the $245 as-needed is more than enough because calls would rarely be needed, if at all. With Linux? Who knows what you'll get. Also, you're not factoring for performance. Every "enterprise application" that I've seen that runs on multiple platforms usually performance ridiculously and embarassingly slow on Linux. Support for Linux is usually just token just to say they have it. Oracle 8i seems to continue this tradition. I would imagine that their messaging product would be the same. So, if you want to compete with Win2K AS and Exchange, you better be running the Oracle messaging product on Solaris. The numbers grow astronomical at that point, so the price argument with Oracle is a losing cause for you, I'm afraid. |
| #8 By 931 (66.180.122.28) at 11/13/2002 9:18:40 PM |
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fyi..
if you want an example of your discount this is very simple.. go out to microsoft.com/licenseing and find out where you fit in, ie.. standard discounting using open licensing or your options expand if we're talking 250+ seats and above.. on the support question this just came to mind.. 9 years working with windows and I can count on my 2 hands the number of times I've had to call microsoft. Was charged only once.. (and btw that was back when the incidents were 99$ a pop..back when they first started charging after 90days.. it was a win3.11 question anyway.) All other calls have been for grabbing non public hotfixes, or finding otherwise reproduceable bugs in the os..(hense no charge). not related but I think it would be a fun test to pick two people off the street that know relatively little about computers.. hand them each a copy of win2k.. and a copy of redhat.. and say say a compaq prolient and tell them to install the os create 5 users,setup a webserver, and get a default page to come up.. Give them access to another computer which has browser access to the web... mkay.... now who do you think will pick up the phone and call support first? back on topic... hahahahah Oracle and email.. jesus, if and when they get to version 3 or 4 of this product I'll take a look.. but based on Oracled track record who would bet there companies email system on Oracle Email server being around in 3 years.. lol or even Oracle the company for that matter. I do wish there were a large group of competators to Exchange but there arn't. L.Notes comes pretty close, but after that everthing else is an also ran at least at the corporate messaging level, Novels got Groupwise, which isnt all that bad in it's 6.x incarnation if you use outlook as your client. Why Oracle has chosen to go down this road is a sheer mystery, all I can assume is that they created this product to go after those folks like myself that refuse to upgrade to exch2k from 5.5 (mainly for the forced ad stuff).. If that's there reason then I dont know wtf would make them think I would seriously consider running any verion 1.0 product as a replacement... um yeah..larry sure.. This post was edited by KnightHawk on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 at 21:27. |
| #9 By 3653 (65.190.70.73) at 11/13/2002 10:36:44 PM |
| linuxhippie... you obviously don't work in a BUSINESS environment. You have a fundamental misunderstanding... that is only learned through DIRECT experience. THAT is why these arguments make little sense to you. Perhaps you should give it a few years, and then try again. |
| #10 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 11/14/2002 10:34:16 AM |
| You've never showed specific specs (including hardware) and cost for a server running Oracle Messaging on Linux either. |
| #11 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 11/14/2002 1:42:40 PM |
| An alternate cost breakdown? You quoted a flat price. You didn't provide any breakdown. If I don't see the break down, there is no reason for me to assume anything. I would think that Oracle would do whatever possible to seem less costly, so using different hardware wouldn't surprise me at all. |
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