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| Time: 10:30 EST/15:30 GMT | News Source: News.com | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Listed online casino Lasseters is the latest company dumping its Microsoft systems and replacing them with the so-called open source platform, Linux. The move is part of a broader technology overhaul that has seen the company install fresh storage gear from market leader EMC and look towards the second phase of its disaster recovery plan. Lasseters chief information officer Mark Robertson said that the move to Linux had been driven by the high cost of Microsoft's latest licensing scheme. | ||
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| #1 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/30/2002 2:05:10 PM |
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#5, you're right, and that is why Linux has been so slow in taking over the big jobs from Unix (and NT).
What Sun and IBM are doing with Linux is in some ways a bait-and-switch technique, and they are (amazingly) quite open about it. When asked why they are getting into Linux, their response is that they expect it to spur more Solaris/AIX sales. What could this mean? Essentially, Linux is a steeply discounted method to get into their hardware, with the said hope that it will eventually be replaced with Solaris/AIX. When you realize Linux doesn't cut it for the task at hand, you're sitting on a big hardware investment, and they have you right where they want you for that upgrade to Solaris/AIX. Linux is relevant and a player, of course, but the open source advocates need a dose of reality. |
| #2 By 3653 (63.162.177.140) at 10/30/2002 2:48:07 PM |
| I swear, I don't know where beeyp and sodajerk find so much time to post all day. No wonder open-source software has failed to MATTER... with slackasses like these guys doing the coding. |
| #3 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 10/30/2002 5:29:25 PM |
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mooresa, I haven't posted on this topic--are you "ignoring" me again, obsession boy? Please, comment on Bob and soda, dumbass, they've got a whole lot more posts.
I guess you are thoroughly "ignoring" the DOD/Mitre report today which traced the important use of OS, or what they call FOSS, in the DOD and Defense industry at large... Doesn't matter, my ass! |
| #4 By 1913 (68.14.48.57) at 10/30/2002 6:33:22 PM |
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Not to offend any Linux fans and users out there, but I would like to see a "NEWS" or two stating that a major or enterprise company switching to Linux (other than Sun, IBM, AOL) ...totally switching to Linux on desktop and servers.
Granted that there are mid-size and small companies that are implimenting Linux or considering it, but not on all fronts. Other than that, this news will just become a pigment of my imagination ...and to some. This post was edited by rommels on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 18:33. |
| #5 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 10/30/2002 11:45:14 PM |
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Why am I a NBMer? One of my home machines is a Sparcstation 10, which I use to run Oracle and netrek upon.
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| #6 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/31/2002 1:20:13 AM |
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When Microsoft has the best products that best suit my needs, of course I use Microsoft products. I do, though, use a some software not from Microsoft. I'm not too satisfied with compressed folders in Windows XP. I've been playing with WinRAR and will likely register it soon.
If I found a platform that could meet or beat the functionality, customizability, programmability that I have with: Windows XP Pro WMP 9 VisualStudio .NET for Enterprise Architects Office XP Developer SQL Server 2000 Microsoft MapPoint 2002 MSN Messenger 5 Remote Desktop then I might consider a new option. I realize some of those (RD, WMP) are components of others, but I was highlighting the spefic features that I love and use often. There is no other operating system platform and application set that can match what those products give me. For the record, here are a few products that I use quite often with which Microsoft either doesn't compete or their product doesn't satisfy me: XML Spy 4 WinRAR 3 WinDVD Ad-aware NBM doesn't apply to me, because I use products which are not made by Microsoft. In 90% of cases, though, I will use the Microsoft product, because they generally better suit my needs as a user. Microsoft gives me what the features I want, so I use them. If another vendor did that, I'd check 'em out. |
| #7 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/31/2002 1:25:39 AM |
| mooresa56, just FYI some of the most talented developers in the world write Open Source software. Your comments aren't just out of line, they are flatly wrong. If open source software didn't matter, then the word "Linux" would never be heard among Microsoft employees. I'm not saying it is remotely lives up to the rediculous amount of press it receives, but open source software has had and will continue to have a tremendous effect on the industry. I'd argue that any software package that goes from nothing to world wide distribution is has had an effect on the industry. Several open source projects have done this. |
| #8 By 3653 (63.162.177.140) at 10/31/2002 2:14:04 PM |
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BobSmith, please name these OS software packages that have MATTERED. I grant you Apache is one, but it is losing ground quickly.
Oh, and you somehow thought I said that OS programmers weren't talented. I did not. I said that OS software has failed to matter. Those two statements aren't related... and I'm not sure how you took them to be equal. This post was edited by mooresa56 on Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 14:15. |
| #9 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/31/2002 3:25:05 PM |
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"No wonder open-source software has failed to MATTER... with slackasses like these guys doing the coding. "
It seems to me that this statement means that open source programmers aren't talented. If this doesn't mean that they aren't talented, it at least seems to mean that though talented they are lazy. Open source software that matters.... Apache Linux BSD Mozilla StarOffice / OpenOffice.org (stupid name!) CVS GCC Whether the projects in their current form are on par with commercial (read: closed source) software or not, the commercial vendors are absolutely aware of these open and free packages. I'd argue that one reason IIS has as many abilities as it has is because it has to add significant value over what apache offers for people to want it. With the threat of Linux, Moz, OO.org, and others, the commercial vendors must stay on their toes (or get on their toes if they've been resting on their laurels) so that their userbase isn't erroded. Personally, my first experience with C++ was with GCC. A healthy amount of my learning of C++ with with GCC. I certainly prefer Visual C++ to GCC/Gdb, but GCC has served millions of programmers over the years. I think it depends on what "matters" means. Ask Microsoft if Linux matters. You'll hear a resounding "Yes!". I'd argue that anything that that has affected the largest software company on earth "matters" to the software industry. I think the packages that I've mentioned (perhaps in order of how much they matter), matter to Microsoft. |
| #10 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/31/2002 3:32:42 PM |
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My statements aren't intended to mean that I support the precepts of OSS or FSF or GNU. At this time, I don't use any open source software. Well, I do have Moz 1.0 and Netscape 7 for dev testing (but I only use them for testing!). I know a great many people, though, that use open source software.
Perhaps the greatest reason I don't use it, is that I don't see how I can support myself and my family by donating my coding skills. If I support OSS, then I support the idea of me having a lower income. I don't like that idea. I like the idea of me getting paid (and paid well) for my skills. I see OSS as a threat to my future income. In most cases I also find that the commercial options are far superior to the OSS options. Microsoft Office XP kicks the trash out of OO.org. Windows XP kicks the trash out of any flavor or version of Linux that I've ever seen. For me, the commercial option is the better option, so I use the better option. If the OSS option was on par with the commercial or exceeded it, perhaps I'd sing a different tune. |
| #11 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/31/2002 8:19:56 PM |
| Thanks. |
| #12 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 11/1/2002 2:10:31 AM |
| I went to all that trouble and no response, moore. Grr. |
| #13 By 3653 (63.162.177.140) at 11/1/2002 12:05:21 PM |
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hey, sorry i lost this thread. thanks for the reply.
The software you mention is funny. Outlike "linux" and apache... you have crap. You might note that my initial "lazy" statement referred to bleeyp's comments. However, I can't remember those comments now, and AW has deleted them. |
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