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| Time: 09:09 EST/14:09 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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Linux distributor SuSE is hoping to attract desktop users to its operating system with a new edition of its software, which allows it to run Microsoft Office and other Windows applications. In January SuSE will launch, through its resellers, SuSE Linux Office Desktop, a distribution aimed at small to medium-size enterprises. The package includes SuSE Linux 8.1 and applications designed to ease Windows users' transition to Linux. | ||
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| #1 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/30/2002 11:09:24 AM |
| WINE is emulation, and apps do run slower (assuming they run at all). |
| #2 By 6859 (204.71.100.216) at 10/30/2002 11:23:42 AM |
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beeyp said "5. Win32 apps running under Linux using WINE do NOT run slower than in a Win32 environment."
Yes, it is slower. I know this because I've actually USED it. Look WINE is API redirection at its best. And ANYTHING that gets in the way of the original API call, even if it is redirected, is just another layer that does slow things down. Clearly, you're mistaken. (the same goes for your other points, numbered 6-9) |
| #3 By 8589 (66.169.174.34) at 10/30/2002 11:31:35 AM |
| SUSE is one of the distributions of Linux you have to pay for. And it is not as user friendly IMO as Mandrake or Redhat. Mandrake 9.0 RULZ IMO as the best Linux Distro. |
| #4 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/30/2002 12:15:03 PM |
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Yes, I have beeyp. You don't have to take my word for it. 1) As #8 said, anything that adds another layer (in this case) is going to be slower. 2) There are benchmarks on the net that show WINE as being much slower than native Windows.
WINE is emulation just like LAME is an mp3 encoder. Just because someone makes up a name saying it isn't does not change what the program is or does. |
| #5 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/30/2002 12:25:51 PM |
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http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/02q2/020531/windows_gaming-05.html
Dictionary.com: em·u·late Pronunciation Key (my-lt) tr.v. em·u·lat·ed, em·u·lat·ing, em·u·lates 1. To strive to equal or excel, especially through imitation: an older pupil whose accomplishments and style I emulated. 2. To compete with successfully; approach or attain equality with. 3. Computer Science. To imitate the function of (another system), as by modifications to hardware or software that allow the imitating system to accept the same data, execute the same programs, and achieve the same results as the imitated system. The only thing that wouldn't make WINE emulation is that it usualy doesn't "achieve the same results as the imitated system". This post was edited by n4cer on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 12:28. |
| #6 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/30/2002 12:42:39 PM |
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Half-Life is a very old game, and I'm guessing the game is v-sync locked under XP which is why you only get 60fps. Disable v-sync or up your refresh rate.
If you only get 60 fps in Half-Life after this, you have really old hardware. This post was edited by n4cer on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 12:43. |
| #7 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/30/2002 1:01:23 PM |
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Sure. I think you have Windows confused with Linux running KDE or Gnome.
I have XP running on a Celeron 333, a P II 400, an Athlon 800, and a Duron 1 GHz. XP base requirement is 233MHz (300 recommended). All run well. All are used daily. Do you have SP1 applied? |
| #8 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/30/2002 1:18:20 PM |
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If it is pirated beeyp -- there is your problem. Why the heck would you pirate if you're a college student in the first place? Ever heard of Academic discount? Some colleges have licenses such that you can get Windows/Office etc. for around $10 a piece.
Besides all that, you need XP SP 1 to fix a problem where XP locks the refresh rate for games at 60 hz. You can try a program called RefreshForce: http://www.pagehosting.co.uk/rf/ For DX games, you can override this with DXDiag or with NVIDIA's latest drivers. With your setup, you should get way more than 60fps. I get more than that and I have an original GeForce 1 DDR. |
| #9 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/30/2002 1:29:30 PM |
| Windows 95 can run on a 386, and you'll probably still be better off than with the Linux install. For something more recent, Windows 2000 can run on a P133. Besides, it doesn't matter how far back the OS can go unless your apps don't have greater requirements. In each case, however, the app and hardware library is larger with Windows. |
| #10 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 10/30/2002 1:38:27 PM |
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Let's correct some facts here...
WINE is an emulator. Any OS which touts it's emulation abilities is doomed for ultimate failure. (history has shown this repeatedly) WinXP Pro is about $140 if you buy it OEM from any dealer. (try http://www.mwave.com) Now some opinions... I don't think college students are in a position, experience wise, to discuss the computer industry intelligently. I know I was not when I was in college. |
| #11 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/30/2002 3:30:01 PM |
| beeyp, truth be told, Windows 2000/XP will run on a 386 processor, just super-slow. Same with Linux. Don't expect to run a GUI on either. |
| #12 By 6859 (204.71.100.217) at 10/30/2002 5:12:35 PM |
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Dudes! Knock it off. beeyp is a TROLL! Just leave his attempts to taunt you into reply empty.
The proof if his foolishness is clear. |
| #13 By 2332 (12.105.69.158) at 10/30/2002 5:39:43 PM |
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#26 -
"So does Windows XP run on an 386? no So does Windows XP run on a Pentium1? no So does Windows XP run on a Pentium2? no" Actually, the correct answers are: So does Windows XP run on an 386? no So does Windows XP run on a Pentium1? YES So does Windows XP run on a Pentium2? YES And, by the way, I ran Linux (Debian) on a 486 DX4 100 and it was so slow it was almost unuseable. |
| #14 By 2 (24.54.153.247) at 10/30/2002 5:57:51 PM |
| beeyp We are banning your IP and your account in IIS. Linux advocates are welcome here... PORN PICS IN YOUR PROFILE ARE NOT. |
| #15 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 10/30/2002 6:07:55 PM |
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RMD, XP actually will run on a 386, I think back to a 386DX 33.
Incidently, I have it running on a PI 150 Gateway laptop (!). It takes awhile to boot up, but if you disable some of the fancy GUI stuff, it's fairly responsive. Also, when I tried RedHat Linux 7.3 (both GNOME and KDE) on a PIII 500 256MB machine a couple weeks back, it was very slow to boot up and a little less responsive than the PI 150 Gateway. I will revisit it later, but I was not impressed. |
| #16 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/30/2002 6:44:48 PM |
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"I don't think college students are in a position, experience wise, to discuss the computer industry intelligently. I know I was not when I was in college. "
Hmm, that's thin ice you're treading on blue. I think some very good thinking comes from "inexperienced" folks. n4cer, JaggedFlame, RedAvenger are all in that category. Not sure how much experience one needs in your book, maybe I'm in that category too. Are all of our posts foolish and inane to you? |
| #17 By 2 (24.54.153.247) at 10/30/2002 6:55:57 PM |
| I agree with BobSmith - you'd be surprised what some college students can accomplish. I was totally different than you when I was in college. |
| #18 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/30/2002 7:35:35 PM |
| BobStein, um, how is it that the banned beeyp just posted? |
| #19 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/30/2002 7:47:38 PM |
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Beeyp, I wasn't defending you. Don't misconstrue my defense of intelligent comments as defense of your comments. This post was edited by BobSmith on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 at 19:47. |
| #20 By 3339 (64.175.43.189) at 10/30/2002 10:30:28 PM |
| Personally, I was smarter back in college. With work and trying to have a life, there's not as much time to think like there was at school. |
| #21 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/31/2002 3:49:02 PM |
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And I thought beeyp said he was god-like. It seems the admins are a bit more so. This post was edited by BobSmith on Thursday, October 31, 2002 at 15:49. |
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