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Office 11 Snubs Windows 9x, Me | |
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| Time: 16:26 EST/21:26 GMT | News Source: eWeek | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Microsoft Corp. has told beta testers of Office 11, its next-version Office desktop productivity suite, that the product will only work with the Windows 2000 operating system with Service Pack 3 installed, Windows XP and later desktop releases. This means that the more than 50 percent of the Redmond, Wash., software company's installed customer base, who still run Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition and Windows Millennium, will not be able to upgrade to Office 11 when it is released next year without first upgrading to at least Windows 2000 with Service Pack 3 installed. | ||
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| #1 By 5444 (208.180.130.104) at 10/29/2002 4:37:07 PM |
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About time, may Windows 9x rest in peace.
It was only a matter of time until everyone stopped supporting the 9x code base. We were looking at dropping support for the 9x platform even before this was announced. So this may be a help to push it that way.:) The ideosyncroncies to support both 9x and nt are just not worth the efforts especially since it is much much cleaner to support nt. may win 9x rest in peace. El |
| #2 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 10/29/2002 4:39:40 PM |
| Well that clears up how they expect to double their revenue off of the new office, huh? |
| #3 By 3653 (63.162.177.140) at 10/29/2002 4:47:24 PM |
| Maxama, don't you worry... Microsoft understands all too well... the reasons why people don't upgrade. Have you heard of Licensing 6.0? Thats their response, and a darned EFFECTIVE one... I might add. |
| #4 By 2459 (24.233.39.98) at 10/29/2002 4:48:02 PM |
| #4, Your statements are contrary to the ABMers that always claim that MS forces people to upgrade. :-) |
| #5 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 10/29/2002 4:50:36 PM |
| mooresa, I don't think Maxama or I are suggesting that MS doesn't know how to bleed money from customers. Licensing 6.0? Didn't Microsoft promise a major upgrade every 3 years to rationalize that... and even then it's not a very rational decision for 50% of their customers.... wonder how they'll feel when Longhorn comes out in 2005... |
| #6 By 6859 (204.71.100.216) at 10/29/2002 5:14:46 PM |
| This is not surprising in the least since Office 10 wouldn't work on Windows 95...this is just the next logical step. |
| #7 By 10802 (24.201.185.24) at 10/29/2002 5:20:11 PM |
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MrWhistler, here is an article just for you!:
http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/02q3/020930/index.html |
| #8 By 61 (65.32.170.1) at 10/29/2002 8:58:23 PM |
| Whistler: could be that your card isn't truely supported my 2000/XP. I'd say the drivers are only basic ones.... in short, it's time to get a better card, heck, you can get a beter one for $50. |
| #9 By 5444 (208.180.130.104) at 10/29/2002 10:18:12 PM |
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#19,
I don't consider that a Daring move. Mr Whistler, well half the issue is the ATI card. While it runs well under 9x/me It wouldn't surprise me. And there are some games that just run better under 9x I will say the kernal levels are different between NT and 9x and programmers have targeted the kernal and optimized for so long that may be the case, this will change as Programmers start targeting the nt kernal and optimize for it. (hopfully seeing more companies target smp) So far on the gaming front, I have found that it is a toss up in what games have the abilities to run in xp and those that run better in 9x Although I can say that ATI has much better 9x drivers than they do xp drivers. El |
| #10 By 61 (65.32.170.1) at 10/29/2002 10:51:18 PM |
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becker, please, do NOT EVER buy a Geforce4 MX card, not only are they SLOWER than Geforce3 TI200's, but also generally in the same price range, often times being more expensive...
The Geforce4 MX is nothing more than a faster Geforce2 MX, literally, it has no new support for DirectX8, same amount of pipes, etc.... All in all, a rip off. |
| #11 By 2332 (65.221.182.3) at 10/30/2002 12:01:26 AM |
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This is a non-issue for the vast majority of people for several reasons:
1.) Nearly all consumer Office sales are those that are bundled with new PCs. 2.) If you're running Windows 98 or even ME, Microsoft didn't really expect you to upgrade to Office 11 anyway. If you're actually running Office 2000, that is. Many 98 users are running, surprise, Office 98. (Or whatever the hell it was called.) 3.) Most businesses have 2k. Those that don't have bigger things to worry about than their Office suite. |
| #12 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/30/2002 12:57:35 AM |
| Office 98 was the Mac version of Office 97 for Windows. |
| #13 By 3339 (64.175.40.247) at 10/30/2002 2:34:46 AM |
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By the way, I have no problem with forcng an architectural or versioning shift... unlike some people. I do point out the problem... because MS does support the weight of 95% of PCs, problems are different for them than other players in remotely similar situations. I don't side with any perspective other than they are saddled with two issues: either force people into products they don't need or desire or be forced to support and maintain legacy systems... That sucks, and it's MS's unique problem that they've dealt with it poorly and well, on occasion, in the past.
I think it's less an issue of people who want to hold on to old, out-of-date systems but want the latest version of an app than it is... unfortunately, people are satisfied with the functionality of the OS and/or Office suite and that they want to choose the latest of one or the other if it introduces something worthwhile. The fact is, if what is really most important is driving new sales (growth), which I have actually never believed in, but has always been MS's strategy--the best roadmap would be refining, standardizing, solidifying existing functionality while lowering the cost... Instead they keep layering on crap, and either charging a premium, or attaching it to system and related software upgrades. In other words, MS's own strategy is shifting away from them--they have to become a premium player... rather than new unit growth, they need repeating or larger sales... whereas the consumer is either already satisfied, never was satisfied, or is willing to give new sales to another player. The question is can Office11's new features drive system upgrades? Maybe mid-sized bizness, but otherwise, I say no way, and I think most would have to agree. |
| #14 By 2201 (194.205.219.2) at 10/30/2002 5:23:19 AM |
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It's amazing what people will say to any Microsoft move. Who cares if Office 11 is only going to work on Windows 2000/XP? No one is forcing anyone to upgrade AT ALL. You can stick with Office 95 if that suits you. Basically the choice is yours. Don't moan about it.
And as for the comment about games running on Win9x better than WinXP, that's a load of rubbish, at work here (we're one of the biggest publishing companies in the UK) games run a HELL of a lot better on XP than it did on crappy 98, most definitely. Frame rates are sky high on XP. I for one am looking forward to MS dumping support for 98 as it's definitely a bad OS in these times of XP. That said, we all run games on GeForce 256, 2, 3 and 4 so maybe the problem is not the OS, but the rubbish ATI drivers (they certanitely don't produce as good cards as NVidia). |
| #15 By 5444 (208.180.130.104) at 10/30/2002 11:55:51 AM |
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#35,
Agreed, I know for instance that office xp and windows xp can be had for 10 dollars a piece. The unfortant part is that these versions are not eligable for Upgrade rights. So lets say you buy i tnow at that price in 4 years a new version comes out you either have to buy the full version on campus(if you are still in school) or buy the full version from retail. You can't get the upgrade price. But beyond that, windows 95 should have been the last dos based version of windows. we wouldn't be having this argument if win 2k was delivered in a timely manner with all the features that Cairo was suppose to offer. Looks like we will finally get that in Longhorn. El |
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