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| #1 By 8883 (64.253.108.243) at 10/15/2002 11:57:45 AM |
| #1, But what about the heteroschoolers? |
| #2 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 10/15/2002 2:07:09 PM |
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No space for thoughts... Thoughts should be outlawed completely...
If you like thought control, move to Oceania circa 1984 (or else lapse into your own deluded dreamworld, buddy, it's not gonna happen, you can't control our thoughts... Ha, ha, ha, pathetic Fascist ruler who can't tolerate a world where people have thoughts not like his own, oh, sad pathetic loser, who could use some educatin' himself) What sort of "diabolical indoctrination system" are you going to use to insure that brain waves are equivalent to your own, Fascist? |
| #3 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 3:55:53 PM |
| So who here understands the basis of socialism and communism? |
| #4 By 1896 (208.61.159.113) at 10/15/2002 4:12:09 PM |
| mhfm have you ever read "Das Capital" written by Karl Marx? Have you ever read "Writings from the jail" by Antonio Gramsci? I don't think so because otherwise you would not be such an ignorant. I believe you belong to that set of paranoids who once stated that Apple was a mean of Evil and bullshit like this. You and the people like you with your ignorant and bigot obscurantism are the real threat to our society . Personally I have read the above mentioned books and many others too but one of my favorites remain "Candid" by Voltaire, a great philosopher who dedicated his life to give to the humanity "The century of the light". |
| #5 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 4:40:31 PM |
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Let me say this about communism. I'm not afraid of it. I lived in post Soviet Russia for two years. I know a little bit about how things worked and how they didn't work. I think Fritzly is dead on when he talks about ignorance.
mhfm, I find it very interesting that you attack communism. Perhaps you are unaware of the socialistic/communistic societies that the apostles formed after the death of Jesus. The implementation of such ideas is the thing to question. |
| #6 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 10/15/2002 4:43:11 PM |
| mhfm, I just wonder what your political affiliations are then. Raving Republican can't be extreme enough for the crap you're spewing. Maybe you can get together with soda and you can ban schools and open source together, and you can share your dream world together in ignorant bliss. |
| #7 By 1896 (208.61.159.113) at 10/15/2002 4:44:36 PM |
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#13 Actually I read Lenin writings as well as Hagel and Engels ones. I also read "Mein Kampf" by Hitler, I love Sagan and I found "The voyage of the beagle" by Darwin intriguing. I also read several stuff wrote by your friend Dr. Richard Paley. Remember that people like Hitler or Stalin got the power when fear, uncertainty and ignorance were reigning. The fact that you compared Hitler and Stalin with Darwin and Sagan shows very well what kind of Orwellian or medieval society you dream about. Btw I am not a communist at all because, after I read about it, I decided I did not like the kind of society this ideology was trying to built. This post was edited by Fritzly on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 16:53. |
| #8 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 4:45:22 PM |
| My my, there is barely any difference between a Democrat and a Communist. Yesterday, sodablue, the site's self proclaimed Democrat, attacked FSF for being Communist. He attacked them on the basis that he felt they were a threat to capitalism. If his statements yesterday were in line with the Democratic platform, then your statement must be false. |
| #9 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 4:59:28 PM |
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Comparing Lenin and Stalin in the same breath is rather curious. Calling Stalin a communist is also curious. Stalin and Lenin actually had very different ideas. Lenin sided more often with Trotsky. Stalin was anti Trotsky. Arguably, Lenin was afraid of what Stalin might do if he succeeded Lenin. Stalin spread all sorts of propoganda that Lenin and Stalin were best buds and the Lenin was really afraid of Trotsky. In the end, Stalin won power, and Trotsky fled for his life.
I could go into the idealogical differences between Stalin and Hitler next, but I'm not in the mood. Let's just say that Lenin, Stalin, and Hitler from an idealogical perspective are anything but similar. While it is true that they were all power hungry, that says nothing about their ideologies. |
| #10 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 5:00:59 PM |
| It definately isn't just you, Fred. Don't go away, mhfm. I haven't had a good intellectual socio-political conversation in years. If you only are going to talk rhetoric without facts, though, perhaps it would be better not to talk about it. |
| #11 By 1896 (208.61.159.113) at 10/15/2002 5:19:43 PM |
| BobSmith of course the two were completely different, Lenin introduced the NEP, Stalin implemented the "Kolkhoz". My point is that compare Lenin with Sagan is just preposterous. |
| #12 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 5:25:45 PM |
| I was referring to mhfm, Fritz. I rather figured that you knew the difference between Lenin and Stalin. |
| #13 By 1896 (208.61.159.113) at 10/15/2002 5:30:23 PM |
| Oops sorry,I misunderstood. Eh Eh I am still working on my English. |
| #14 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 6:40:53 PM |
| As incorrect as you may think he is, it isn't a good thing to mock a person's religious beliefs, Fred. |
| #15 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 6:42:04 PM |
| I'm curious, m, explain to me what communism is. You say it is awful and evil, well explain to me what it is. That way we can be on the same page when discussing it. |
| #16 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 7:43:44 PM |
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K, you have explained very little about communism. What you have said so far indicates that you really don't understand communism. I'm not saying that to offend, just to point out that you are arguing from a point of ignorance.
Let's start with some brief definitions. Democracy - a majority rules, every person represents himself government Representitive Democracy (sometimes called a republic) - same as democracy, with the exception that one person chosen by a group of people represents that group. Republics are formed when there are too many people in the population to get together at once. This is the type of government we have. Socialism - an economic system in which the all property is owned equally among all the population. Communism - a form of government with with a socialist economic system. I can't remember if the system which the apostles setup after Jesus' death has a name. I've heard it called living the law of consecration, so let's call it that for now. In this system, all members consecrated all of their property to the apostles. They put their faith in God that the apostles would be good stewards and administer well all of the property. The idea being that every one gave according to his ability and received according to his needs. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." is the basis of the system which Jesus setup. It is also the basis of socialism. It would be quite correct to say that after the death of Jesus, the desciples had a socialist economy. |
| #17 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 7:49:43 PM |
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sub, my comment (#31) was for m, not for you. I forgot to throw in his name.
Fred (#32), I'm beyond being offended by folks believing differently about religion and politics from me. I wan't hurt by what he said. I love it when people explain how they feel and why the feel it (especially when they do it civilly). It bugs me when others most personal and sacred feelings are mocked. That's the reason that I called you on it. No further problem, bro. |
| #18 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 8:09:06 PM |
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m, you sure are attracting a lot of attention today, aren't you? You said that the law of consecration society with the apostles was great, because each member of the community chose to be in it. You then attacked the United States because you expect to be in the minority after November. You expect that they will not make laws according to the way you think. Do I have this right?
You are free to move to a different state, county, or city and find different government if you don't like where you are. If you disagree with the way the United States is run, I encourage you to renounce your citizenship and move to a country where you feel more at home. One of the greatest strengths of the United States is that despite the differences in opinion, religion, race, gender, intelligence, and so forth, we are still a united people. As citizens of the United States we bind ourselves to respect our differences. We have many opportunities - petitions, assemblies, marches, letters. editorials, speeches, etc - to voice our opinions and let the elected representitives (since we live in a republic and not a democracy) know what we think and feel. If those we elect make laws about public schools, then it isn't the 535 members of Congress and the President that made the law, it is the entire citizenry of the United States that made the law. It isn't the "government" who runs the schools, it is the people who run the schools. If you don't like the way thing work, then state your case, and make a difference. For the record, I'm not a registered member of any political party. For the most part, though, I vote Republican. Political parties aside, the United States is a government of the people. If you are a citizen, you have just as much duty to make it better and to abide by its laws as any other citizen. |
| #19 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 10/15/2002 8:17:11 PM |
| You haven't quite defined your political persuasion/ideology yet mhfm, but it appears to be something like Radical Fundamentalist Catholic (I presume, but they're the only serious excommunicators that I know of really) Objectivist Fascist to me so far... Wow, that's a fun one. But how would you define yourself, and what do you support? It's sounds to me like you don't have a center but use your skewed economic and religious views to create an enemy for yourself, and then rail against it. So far, I'll I know is that you're for vouchers and Jesus. That's quite the platform. |
| #20 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 8:19:28 PM |
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m, since we've met in other threads, I know that "the Church" to you means the Catholic Church. Let me say that, there are a great many people who attack Christianity because they see the public actions of the Catholic Church and think that they represent all Christianity. That couldn't be further from the truth.
I don't know about you, but I can't recall a teach of Jesus where he said "Anybody who doesn't believe exactly as you do should be cast aside." If the Church of God had cast away (excommunicated) all members who didn't believe exactly what the Church teaches, then Paul should have written to the saints in Philipi, Corinth, etc. and told them they had been excommunicated, rather than write to them to teach them the truth. I would hold that it is action, not general belief, which is grounds for excommunication. If I can't believe in communism and be a member of your church, then your church has a problem. |
| #21 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 8:25:41 PM |
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Well that is a nice bit of hyperbole, mhfm. It is very possible for the majority to enact laws that persecute the minority. It is also possible for the minority to have a perception of being persecuted when in reality that is not the case.
As for abortion? I respect the laws of the country on that subject. I don't personally believe in it and will not consent to it. I am a loyal citizen, though, and will defend anybody's right to do it, so long as it is the law. That is what it means to be a citizen. If the majority decided to kill Christians, then I'd move somewhere else. I'm very familiar with the concept of religious persecution. I feel from your posts that you are seriously attacking the government of the United States. If my responses seem tense, it is because attacking the United States strikes a chord with me. If you don't support the republic, what do you support? |
| #22 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 8:36:13 PM |
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No harm, no foul Fred. I find it rather ironic that there are many who masquerade has the humble followers of Christ that haven't really figured out who he is. Jesus believed in people deciding things for themselves. He believed in people getting together to discuss their beliefs. He believed in not attacking people that didn't believe as he did. He talked of mercy and tolerance.
I think it is probably safe to say that the populous of the United States is much less persecuted by the federal government than the province of Israel (I know there were several actually but let's just combine them for this point) was persecuted by the Romans. It is interesting that when Jesus was asked about paying tribute to Rome, he looked at a Roman coin and said basically give to Caeser the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. Jesus wasn NOT opposed to paying Rome's very high taxes. He didn't counsel his followers to revolt against Rome or even the leaders of the Jews. He taught them to be humble and merciful. He taught them how to live in peace with God whether the government hated them or not. If Jesus was OK with high taxes and being persecuted and didn't revolt, then how can any one who claims to follow him act any differently? |
| #23 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 8:40:40 PM |
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Oh, you're a ditto head. I can only imagine what sodablue would say to that. For me, I listened to Rush for years, but in the end decided that though I agree with much of what he says, he is a pompous and proud jerk. He gives conservatives a bad name.
As for abortion, once again, I don't believe in it. I won't do it. I don't support anybody in doing it. If some misguided person is going to walk into an abortion clinic with a bomb, it would be better for him to die, than for him to kill anybody in that clinic. I defend the rights of others. I also expect them to defend mine. That's what a government by the people is all about. |
| #24 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 10/15/2002 8:49:26 PM |
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So what I'm wondering is: when this became the Radical Right Wing Fundamentalist Community? I mean, sure, maybe I've been entertained by this insanity, but what--we're giving you the time of day, mhfm, because you want to ban taxes and schools and elections or something like that--at least rail against them for a while? Who gives a sh1t? This is Activewin, ain't it?
Go to Church, give Rush a call, bomb a clinic or something. This post was edited by sodajerk on Tuesday, October 15, 2002 at 20:55. |
| #25 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 10/15/2002 8:49:41 PM |
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Whoa, sorry bro, I must not have stated my case clearly.
If taxes are legalized theft now, they were legalized theft then. If he didn't have a problem with it then, why would he have a problem with it now. Also, taxes are not theft. Anyway, if you think that taxes are too high, are spent inappropriately or whatever, you should let your representatives know that. You should do petitions and write letters. You should state your opinion on how you feel the country should be run. You should keep trying until you get what you want. If you aren't satisfied, you should find a new country. If taxes are legal, then they are legal and you should pay them and encourage everybody you know to pay them. In other words, you should encourage them to obey the law. While obeying the law, you absolutely have the right, even the duty, to try to change the laws you don't agree with. The concept of pro-life movement is anything but anti government. In fact those that say "hey, this is wrong and we need to stop this" are citizens who realize they have a right to free speach. This is wonderful! Also, I'm definately pro government and I'm also pro life. I think abortion is murder. I think murder is one of the worst things you can do. That doesn't minimize that fact that choising to or not to abort is currently legal. |
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