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  Those MS API disclosures - errors, incomplete, useless?
Time: 03:08 EST/08:08 GMT | News Source: The Register | Posted By: Alex Harris

Earlier this week Microsoft posted details of a large number of APIs (272, we are told - we have not counted) in the MSDN library. This publication is intended to to comply with the terms of the MS-DoJ proposed settlement to the antitrust suit, and is part of a process whereby Microsoft 'levels the playing filed' for rival software publishers and developers by disclosing APIs and protocols, and offering them for license.

But the API disclosure seems at best utterly irrelevant, and at worst counter-productive, because it is not complete, and some of the information is misleading or wrong. Henk Devos, author of Registry Explorer (an alternative to regedit), has reviewed the documentation since it went up on Monday US time, and says it contains errors, and there are still some things that have been left out. He gives the examples of IBrowserFrameOptions and IDelegateFolder as missing (he says he's figured out the second anyway, but not the first), and that "now that SHCreateShellFolderViewEx has finally been documented after 7 years, the docs are wrong. The structure that they describe for the parameter is wrong."

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#1 By 8589 (65.100.121.209) at 8/24/2002 5:09:43 AM
This is from the Register, and you believe it? Give me a break.

#2 By 2459 (24.206.97.178) at 8/24/2002 10:30:05 AM
Even if it is true, they should submit a documentation bug report and stop whining about it. With all that MS has to document, it's not like there won't be mistakes. This is true of any company.

How many times have you gotten a school textbook that didn't have a single mistake? One of the last Calculus books I had contained over 30 errors (other books have had over one hundred). Does this mean that for the mathematicians that wrote the book, Calculus is a "grotesque, badly-documented pile of poo [they don't] fully understand [themselves]"?

Usual, total stupidity from the Reg.
Heck, the Register makes "mistakes" in every article they publish. :-)

This post was edited by n4cer on Saturday, August 24, 2002 at 10:33.

#3 By 6253 (12.237.219.240) at 8/24/2002 5:01:42 PM
The guy interviewed says, "And there is still no information at all about how to achieve certain tasks."

This is really what his gripe is. He wants a tutorial, not merely a reference which requires some thinking and experimenting.

Microsoft says that they have documented these APIs to the same level of detail Microsoft uses for standard Windows APIs. Other than the fact that the long-documented APIs have had their typos cleaned up over the years, the reference doesn't exactly give you tutorials on how/when to use them. Occasionally, they will warn you about mistakes people frequently make. Occasionally, they will cross-reference similar functions as "see also" links. But mostly, you're not going to learn how to implement your application's requirements from any API reference.

There are many tutorial articles available, in MSDN Library and the Knowledge Base, but those are not the official API documentation. Many of those articles are contributed by non-Microsoft sources, and many can be found to have mistakes and outdated information in them, too.

Essentially, we're saying that this guy has spent years (apparently at least 7 years, based on his comments) learning how to use the Windows API, and he expected that Microsoft was going to give him instructions on how to use these 272 additional functions today, as easily as he uses the stuff he's got 7 years of experience with.

#4 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 8/25/2002 4:09:38 AM
"The appropropriately-named Register's long-term belief that what Microsoft has got in there is a grotesque, badly-documented pile of poo it doesn't fully understand itself. "

Well, if the undocumented API's are simply a pile of poo, then who cares whether they are well documented, documented at all, publically admitted to exist, etc or not? If the functions are useless, depricated, or otherwise undesirable, then why go to the trouble of forcing Microsoft to release information regarding them.

Also, I'll show my ignorance here with a question. If the documentation consists of method signatures only, then couldn't someone write a little utility that outlines all public methods of all Microsoft DLL's after a clean install of a given version of Windows. That would produce an unabridged list of the Windows API for that version of Windows would it not? You could then do a little experimenting to find out what each of the functions did. I know this would take a good deal of time, but anyone who can write keygens for to break WPA, or SAM cracks, or hack XBOX from a hardware and software level to run Linux could certainly spend the time to find out all the "hidden" API's in Windows. Not only that, but it would be time much better spent.

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