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| Time: 13:07 EST/18:07 GMT | News Source: Business Week Online | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
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First, Gates & Co. has only itself to blame for the disappointing sales of Office X, in the opinion of many. Reader after reader said it was just too darn expensive at $400-plus. "That's half the price of an eMac!!!" wrote Richard Lenoce. "That's a lot of money for a glorified typewriter/calculator/picture-maker." Lots of readers see Office's steep price as an attempt to gouge a captive market. So maybe they shouldn't be surprised when Mac-heads balk at the hefty expenditure. Andy McCann, who works at Morgan Stanley, suggests that Microsoft combine Word with personal-information manager Entourage and sell the bundle for $150. "Then they'd probably sell a huge number of copies," he writes. | ||
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| #1 By 2960 (156.80.64.120) at 8/21/2002 1:58:37 PM |
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I think $99 would be more like it.
TL |
| #2 By 1401 (162.39.117.186) at 8/21/2002 2:17:39 PM |
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I think Mac fans want a computer that doesn't go 'beep beep beep beep beep' and devour their papers. Just ask Ellen Feiss...
http://www.apple.com/switch/ads/ellenfeiss.html |
| #3 By 2960 (156.80.64.120) at 8/21/2002 2:43:02 PM |
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GT,
I started off using CookieCop 2 from PCMagazine, which is an insanely complete and powerfull tool, but it was too much for what I wanted. I now use Popup-Stopper which is much better for simply controlling this one issue. Try it, you'll like it! TL |
| #4 By 2960 (156.80.64.120) at 8/21/2002 2:44:52 PM |
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Stu,
You don't know me so quit trying. Makes you look silly. Anyway, I just think, personally, that $99 is a better price for the proposed package. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it :) TL |
| #5 By 6859 (204.71.100.215) at 8/21/2002 3:26:32 PM |
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"Switch to Mac? I thought you said Crack!" ;)
Ellen was stoned, plain and simple. |
| #6 By 2 (152.163.188.65) at 8/21/2002 3:30:21 PM |
| Gt, you already got what you wanted for the year...RSS feeds!! :) |
| #7 By 3653 (65.190.70.73) at 8/21/2002 3:32:34 PM |
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While we (techlarry, at least) are dreaming... lets just sell the whole suite (add MS Access too, even though MS will need to write it from scratch) for $29.95
I mean, lets just throw ALL reason and business restraints out the window... and sell all software... regardless of development costs... for the "sounds about right" price of $14.95 techlarry, you still stuggling on that mac today? Lol. Got sun's openorifice.org working on it yet? |
| #8 By 3653 (65.190.70.73) at 8/21/2002 3:34:10 PM |
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It was nice chatting with all you guys over the past few months, but I'm here to announce that my time on these chats will likely become abbreviated over the next few months... because I just received email that I'm an XBox LIVE beta tester.
Thats all I can say for now... I'm tearing up, I'm so happy... |
| #9 By 2459 (24.206.97.178) at 8/21/2002 3:41:22 PM |
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If Apple people would shop around a little and not purchase everything from the Apple store, they could easily find Office v. X full version for $352 with free shipping.
I think they are using price to displace the reality of overall slow OS X adoption. These are the same users that gladly pay higher (than Office) prices for Adobe products, and, if they like to stay on top of things, paid ~ $280 to get a more usable OS ($130 for initial release, $20 for update, $130 for 10.2[sans Amazon.com $50 discount]). Some still say they prefer MacOS 9 to OS X. Many may just be waiting until the updates are less frequent. Steve Jobs raved about the adoption rate of OS X at MacWorld, but an article posted on ActiveWin, the day before IIRC, contradicted his numbers. mooresa56 -- If I'm lucky, maybe I'll see you on Live. Do you have a Gamer Tag yet? This post was edited by n4cer on Wednesday, August 21, 2002 at 15:45. |
| #10 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 8/21/2002 4:39:42 PM |
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bob670 - Honestly I agree. Word/Excel/Outlook bundled together should sell for around $150. Access sell for additional $90 or so. Could care less about powerpoint personally, but sell it seperately for $90 as well.
No upgrade prices... just give everybody the same low price. Microsoft would eliminate all potential competition by doing this. |
| #11 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 8/21/2002 5:43:16 PM |
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Outlook for the Mac is a free download; of course, you can't use it without Exchange behind it....
One thing bears mentioning here, though, and that is Office XP for Windows costs $479.00, so Office v. X for Mac is keeping in line with this price. That puts MS in a tough position--they can't really lower the price for the Mac because the Windows customers would say that is unfair, and it would also give incentive for people to switch to a Mac. They could lower the cost on the suite for both platforms (and of course, we'd all be very happy if they did), but Office is their major $-maker. Now, as for offering each app separately, $399 a piece is pretty ridiculous, I think (at least at this point in time; years ago, it would have been a bargain). My solution for Mac users? Enroll in a class at a local university and buy it through them. My friends in college now say you can get Office 2000 for $35 or less, and that's a *legal copy* you can take with you after college. :) |
| #12 By 3653 (65.190.70.73) at 8/21/2002 6:19:52 PM |
| n4cer... not yet. Email said expect it within 30 days. |
| #13 By 1845 (12.254.162.111) at 8/21/2002 10:00:46 PM |
| TweakXP works really well too. It can not only stop pop ups, but also expedite surfing by stop on page ads. It does a lot of other cool stuff for XP as well. |
| #14 By 2960 (156.80.64.120) at 8/22/2002 9:23:44 AM |
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#10's silly comments aside, it is being widely reported this morning that Microsoft Office XP Academic is selling like gangbusters, and a lot of the sales are NOT to proper academic customers.
Hell, even Cosco is selling it. People are paying $149 for it whether they qualify or not. And the odd thing being reported is.... Microsoft doesn't care. They are letting it happen, and the concenses is that they are allowing it to happen ON PURPOSE to promote strong sales of Office without having to introduce a formal price cut. So I guess my $99 Word/Outlook 'dream' isn't so far off now, is it? Let us not forget that for years, to get market penetration, Microsoft sold Access for $99 in stand-alone form. It's really simple folks. Reasonably priced software sells. Overpriced software doesn't, at least not to the degree the publisher wants. What's really funny here is if I would have said that we should all be able to buy CD's for $8.99 instead of the outrageous $15.99 and up we are charged now, not one of you would have come back with such silly responses. TL |
| #15 By 2960 (156.80.64.120) at 8/22/2002 9:26:20 AM |
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#10,
"techlarry, you still stuggling on that mac today? Lol. Got sun's openorifice.org working on it yet? " Must you make stuff up? My Mac presents NO problems. Neither do my two Win2K Servers, XP desktop or 2K Laptop. Everything does exactly what I want it to do. O don't use OpenOffice. I don't like it. I have a licensed copy of Office V.X, Thank You, which I purchased for $299 after a $150 rebate. I also have licensed copies of Office XP, Office 2K, Office 97 and Office 95. No worries here :) TL |
| #16 By 2960 (156.80.64.120) at 8/22/2002 9:28:10 AM |
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GT,
"TechLarry, Thanks to Popup-Stopper no more ActiveWin popups - looks good so far... Thanks!" Cool :) Also, don't you get this strange feeling of satisfaction every time you hear it make that "Ploink" noise, knowing that it was one-less Pop-Up/Under that you had to deal with :) TL |
| #17 By 2960 (156.80.64.120) at 8/22/2002 9:35:21 AM |
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n4Cer/Maccrosslover,
"so let's all hail Apple for gouging them for a service pack, but curse Microsoft for charging the Price that they charge PC users (mostly)...Apple fans just need to get a life, the upgrade was 150 for the longest it isn't even funny. " You won't get any arguments from me. The pricing Scheme for MacOS X 10.2 (or is that Pricing SCAM?) is completely ludicrous. Don't even get me started on the whole .MAC fiasco. I have never been a fan of Steve Jobs. Especially since he all but destroyed the Grass-Roots Apple Reseller channel in favor of CompUSA. Sheese, what WAS this guy thinking ? I have no fanaticism for either platform. I'll applaud or condem each as necessary, as I see it. IMHO both sides have done plenty to piss off their customers over time. It comes down to the fact that they are both tools. Some prefer one, some prefer the other. I prefer to use both, using each for it's strengths or to avoid the others weakness for a particular purpose. Makes the house a very interesting place :) TL |
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