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  MS' Mr WPA says no new corp keys for SP1
Time: 16:41 EST/21:41 GMT | News Source: The Register | Posted By: Alex Harris

Microsoft licensing technologies lead product manager Allen Nieman (Mr WPA) has denounced last week's WinXP product activation revamp story as FUD, a rumour that is "entirely untrue," and that has been "parroted by some folks without validating with us" (by which we fear he means us). As it turns out, the tests on which the "rumour" was based had one fatal flaw - they did not distinguish between corporate and non-corporate versions of XP SP1, and so when a non-corporate SP1 was slipstreamed (i.e., applied in combination with an XP install) into a corporate XP, the installation was turned into a retail XP Pro one, and the corporate keys - naturally - didn't work.

Nieman made a posting to an SP1 beta group on Friday, saying: "Here's the deal: There is no truth in this rumor. We are not changing the way volume licensing customers install or deploy Windows XP. We are not issuing volume licensing customers new product keys. Volume licensing customers are not impacted by any of the changes we are making to activation in SP1. The only folks impacted by the changes we are making in SP1 are people with illegal copies of Windows."

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#1 By 1896 (216.78.253.158) at 7/29/2002 10:17:38 PM
It is still in beta, no officially date yet.

#2 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 7/30/2002 8:51:20 AM
If only they would expend the energy into improving the product and lowering the price.

Then, maybe all this nonsense wouldn't be necessary.

And yes, all my copies of XP are legal copies (and WPA has STILL been a pain in the ass for me).

TL

#3 By 4209 (163.192.21.2) at 7/30/2002 9:41:51 AM
TechLarry, I agree but then again there will still be pirating no matter how low MS makes the price. Some people are just cheap and would rather steal the software then to actually pay the manufacturer for it. Look at the record industry, so many people stealing music even though a CD is not really that expensive.

#4 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 7/30/2002 9:53:55 AM
I agree (except with the cost of CD's, but that's a different story).

I think the goal should be to get as many legal owners as possible on board.

Frankly, I think WPA COSTS them more piracy than it stops. There's nothing more refreshing to a teen-ager than a challange like this :)

On the CD note, when I can buy a $100 million dollar movie on DVD for $14.99, and the Soundtrack CD of that same movie costs $16 plus, something is very, very wrong...

TL

#5 By 4209 (163.192.21.3) at 7/30/2002 11:39:11 AM
TechLarry, while I do agree that Music should not cost as much as it does, that is not the artist who performs the music's fault. It is the greedy record company. Where the software that MS creates can be priced where they want it. I believe that the home edition of XP should cost less, the Pro version can stayt where it is since that is intended for business use and we all know that big business can afford it. There also should be a home version of Office as well, that should be a lot less expensive. Business does not really understand that if you make something more affordable that more people will buy it and therefore increase sales and profits. I am not saying a drastic decrease in price for all companies and all products. But MS makes its money off the companies, not the average consumer, so why not make it a little easier for us consumers to purchase the software legally.

Side Note: I purchased all my Windows licenses.

#6 By 1124 (165.170.128.65) at 7/30/2002 11:53:03 AM
TechLarry,

I agree with your thoughts on the Music CD vs DVD issue(cost), but not with your ideas on WPA.

WPA is MS way to lower the price for people who buy the software. Yes people will try to crack it, but I think that a lot more will end up buying it than before.

Personally I have had no problems with WPA and I am running 3 xp pro machines at home.

Also, I thing MS is always trying to improve their products. Take a look at the new security initiative, Palladium, new database file system, spending more on R&D ...

#7 By 1124 (165.170.128.65) at 7/30/2002 11:54:43 AM
mctwin2kman,

Take a look at Apple's OS prices

#8 By 4209 (163.192.21.3) at 7/30/2002 4:11:27 PM
#11 I do not own an Apple therefore I do not really care what there prices are. Plus look at there market share, more expensive in there case leads to less market. As for MS, they would probably get more people to upgrade if there OS was like $49 instead of $99 for the upgrade. The Corporate market will pick up the slack on the rest. And I know that the Apple Owner has to pay for an update to there OS, but they will pay it and move on because that is what the average Apple user does. Just like when they pay more for Ram because they go to an Apple based store and think that only the memory at the Apple based store is what they can use. As for MS wanting to fight piracy, maybe they should charge less, I mean why do I want to pay $500+ for Office when I will only use it to do my resume, hypethetical there. Why not sell a Home version that does not have all the features of regular Office for the home user. I know they have Works and all, or they used to, but the average user uses Office Suite at work and that is what they are used to and wants to use it at home. Limit whatever features they want and sell it cheaper, make it so that if they are on a domain it limits features or whatever they want to make it not work properly in a Corporate world.

#9 By 1896 (65.80.240.177) at 7/30/2002 4:45:31 PM
#12 So if my boss tomorrow take me home with his Porsche the day after I need to drive a Porsche? Come on, people who wants to use Office must be ready to pay for it. I would like a 21" flat monitor but I don't want to pay thousands of $ to buy it so I use a 17" one; I don't go in a store and steal a bigger one.

#10 By 4209 (163.192.21.3) at 7/30/2002 5:24:08 PM
#13 no I was stating that most average users are not to bright, something you should know about, so they would not know of alternatives. Then they get on a P2P sharing service and download an illegal version because $500+ to write a resume is a little steep. So now instead of MS making some money off a lite version they make none. So instead of having all the pirated copies of Office they would at least be able to make some money off it and have a lite version. I mean you sound like you work for MS and need the money or something, why in the hell is it a bad idea to offer the average Joe a lite version of Office. Maybe just give them Word and maybe even Excel, since they would not use PowerPoint or Access and probably not even use Excel. This is such a problem for you it seems, but I have users ask me all the time for copies of Office because they don't want to pay for it, if MS just made a leaner version this would be solved. I don't see the damn big deal and why you even keep commenting on it. Don't you want less expensive software, I know I do.

Edit: And what does stealing a 21" flat panel have to do with this. Maybe if the flat panel only worked at lower resolutions then you should not have to pay the same amount of money that one that works at higher resolutions. I mean that is the most idiotic statement I have ever read. I did not say steal office, I said offer a lesser version for less money. Kind of like the Porsche Boxter, it is a Porsche and looks a lot like a 911 with out the power or the cost.

This post was edited by mctwin2kman on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 17:27.

#11 By 1896 (216.78.252.103) at 7/30/2002 6:13:40 PM
#14 You already have different version of Office to choose. If you don't need Access you save money. If people don't know what to buy they should first made theyr homework, than plan a purchase instead to waist time learning how to use P2P and IRC.net. Btw a Boxster is a Porsche but has nothing to do with a 911.

#12 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 7/30/2002 6:30:14 PM
Microsoft makes that version for education... they ought to just make it a version for home personal use. It's $150 which is a decent price.

#13 By 1124 (24.93.24.63) at 7/30/2002 11:22:14 PM
If I wanted office just to do my resume I would just use star office(If I did not have the cash to buy it). If you don't pay for office and you put it on your machine, then that is stealing.

Is Office really 500+ ? They use to sell them separate. Did they stop this?

This post was edited by GhostRider on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 at 23:23.

#14 By 4209 (163.192.21.3) at 7/31/2002 10:13:21 AM
Fritzly that was the point, it is a lesser Porsche, like a Lite version of Office would be a lesser version.

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