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Dell, Microsoft Announce Education Agreement to Help Students, Teachers in the Classroom | |
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| Time: 10:47 EST/15:47 GMT | News Source: Business Wire | Posted By: Byron Hinson | ||
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Dell and Microsoft today announced an agreement to provide education-specific network servers and notebook computers to K-12 education customers in the United States. The new products, which feature Microsoft Class Server software, will allow teachers and school administrators to easily organize and manage institutional resources, provide individualized and engaging ways for students to learn, and promote parents' involvement in their children's education. According to the agreement, announced at the NECC trade show in San Antonio, Dell will factory install Class Server on Dell PowerEdge(tm) servers and Dell Latitude(tm) notebooks, simplifying the process of getting a school district's network up and running with the software. | ||
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| #1 By 1124 (165.170.128.66) at 6/17/2002 12:34:06 PM |
| What is wrong with using the computers we use in the workplace in schools? PCs are the way to go. This is a good move by MS and Dell. |
| #2 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 6/17/2002 1:04:08 PM |
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Ghost,
Yours is the most common reply to this question. Though I respect it, and understand it, I _disagree_ with it. Computers in school are NOT about preparing students for work. Computers in school are used as tools to facilitate education, and the teaching of all subjects. Just because the classroom has a computer in it, it is _not_ a computer science class. It is a tool, not a view into the future. I own and use far more PC's than I do Mac's, but I believe students are better served by the reliability and ease-of-use that Apple is all about. TL P.S. I'm sure RedAvenger will have some sort of smart-ass comment to make. Go ahead, make my day. I'm used to it... |
| #3 By 1124 (165.170.128.66) at 6/17/2002 1:24:12 PM |
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Tech,
I agree with you that just because the classroom has a computer in it, it is not a computer science class. I know a lot of people(most of them) in the corporation I work, use PCs for non science work. I disagree with you on the point that Macs are more reliable and easier to use. Maybe when PCs had DOS and windows3.1 you had a point, but with XP vs OS10..., PCs are a way better "tool". |
| #4 By 665 (64.126.91.172) at 6/17/2002 1:30:05 PM |
| #8, I think PC's should be in the class room, but you have to remember very few classrooms have XP. Our school just last year upgraded from 95 to 98. Where I work they get computers with 2000 and downgrade them to 95 because they upgraded the whole system yet. I think any computer in the classroom is a good step. |
| #5 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 6/17/2002 2:43:31 PM |
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Ghost,
I also wanted to mention that a recent survey by the Gartner Group indicates that Mac's have a 40% lower TCO over PC's. That's also important to cash-strapped schools. I still think Mac's are a bit more reliable in the hardware department, and depending on the situation, can be more reliable in the software department. This much I know for sure. It's been proven time and time again that the _average_ person (say, a school teacher) is more effective at resolving Mac problems than PC problems. In the work places, it's also been noted that end-users are far more likely to resolve thier own computer problem if they are using a Mac than if they are using a PC. Theirs points for both sides :) IU |
| #6 By 1124 (165.170.128.66) at 6/17/2002 4:15:52 PM |
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ToddAW - PCs are way cheaper than Macs. I did not get your point about why your school downgrade to win95(Don't they want better performance).
Tech - In the surveys you sited, what version of windows were they using? |
| #7 By 2960 (156.80.64.164) at 6/17/2002 4:18:37 PM |
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Ghost,
It was either Windows 2000 or XP. I don't remember for sure, but I _think_ it was XP. It was one of those side-bar articles in a magazine. I'll see if I can find it again. IU |
| #8 By 116 (129.116.86.41) at 6/17/2002 4:32:20 PM |
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TechLarry, since you invited me . . .
I grew up with Macs in school to start off with, and support Macs at my job. My complaints are justified with having to deal with the platform. Specifically dealing with education... Funds are always tight for schools, and as such Macs are inherently cost prohibitive compared to pc's. Most people have PC's so their is less training needed to make use of these computers. Chances are these kids have PC's at home... As far as availability of education software, there are far more "educational" titles for PC than for Mac. Macs have no security built into the platform. There is no way to lock down a macintosh to prevent students from "enhancing" the computer. As for reliability, we have far more problems with Apples than we do with Dells. Your view might be jaded if you build your own computers rather than going with a quality computer manufacturer like Dell or HPaq. Just as an FYI the original blue and white G3 had a 1 in 3 failure of the logic board according to the Apple technician who had to replace 4 g3 motherboards in the lab (out of 5). Talk about quality and reliability. Specifically this article details how Dell and Microsoft are working to help education and teachers. Does Apple offer something comparative for the Education market? <crickets> Have a nice day TL!!! :) |
| #9 By 665 (64.126.91.172) at 6/17/2002 4:50:22 PM |
| #11, well, at my work the whole system is 95. They are begining the process of upgrading right now to Windows 2000, but if you were to get a new computer that came with Win2000 or XP they would be downgraded. It doesn't make much sence, but I'm not in charge :) |
| #10 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/17/2002 5:05:46 PM |
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TechLarry - Did that Gartner survey on TCO take into consideration the capabilities of the machine? That is, a Concrete block would have a much lower TCO than a Apple Macintosh, but that doesn't mean the Concrete block is a suitable teaching tool.
Now for my controversial point - I don't think computers are needed in schools, except for use by the teachers, later maybe in junior high/high school they are needed for programming classes, or office skills(typing/spreadsheets/word processing). |
| #11 By 116 (129.116.86.41) at 6/17/2002 6:45:59 PM |
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I can agree with that soda and 16. However half the battle is just getting the computers. The other half is using them effectively.
It just so happens PC's are more cost effective and have a lot more +'s that go with it. |
| #12 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 6/17/2002 7:06:51 PM |
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"Macs have no security built into the platform. There is no way to lock down a macintosh to prevent students from "enhancing" the computer."
I thought you knew about and supported Macs. Clearly you don't know much since this is 100% bassackwards! |
| #13 By 116 (24.243.214.180) at 6/17/2002 7:19:28 PM |
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Tell me what security is built into the platform. Please do Jerk. I am anxious to educate you.
Thanks, RA |
| #14 By 135 (208.50.201.48) at 6/18/2002 12:20:02 AM |
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#16, RedAvenger - Ok, I think we are onto something! We shall change the world of education. :)
However, I've yet to see computers used effectively for teaching anything in the classroom other than computer based materials(i.e. programming, office productivity). I was one of the early guinea pigs when it came to computers. The Calculus course my senior year in high school was to be taught entirely using computer based instruction. We started the class this way about the first month of the year and the teacher decided this idea was crap and we went back to using text books. Why? You can't take the computers home with you, so any homework you are to do on them has to be done in class. Well if you are doing homework on the computers in class, that means you are spending less time with the teacher lecturing. It's pretty simple really, but the majority of subjects, are still taught through lecture and books. Computers are nothing but a way to perform excercises, they are part of the homework... they are not a substitute for either book or teacher. Now that doesn't mean there are other uses for computers in administration, keeping grades and so forth. Every teacher should have one computer. I just see no reason for every student. |
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