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  A killer Windows 7 bug? Sorry, no
Time: 16:44 EST/21:44 GMT | News Source: Microsoft Report | Posted By: Andre Da Costa

The blogosphere is abuzz over a newly publicized bug in Windows 7. I read about it yesterday on Chris123NT’s blog, where it was described as a “critical bug in Windows 7 RTM.” The story picked up momentum today when InfoWorld’s Randall Kennedy (the man behind the “Save XP” Astroturf campaign) published a sensational polemic: “Critical Windows 7 bug risks derailing product launch.” Tom Warren at Neowin called it “rather nasty” but sensibly concluded that it’s far from a “show stopper.”

My conclusion? It’s alarming behavior if you’re unaware of what’s happening. But when you look more carefully, it’s arguably a feature, not a bug, and the likelihood that you’ll ever crash a system this way is very, very small and completely avoidable.

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#1 By 54556 (67.131.75.22) at 8/5/2009 6:01:08 PM
The sky is falling! They sky is falling! ... Oh wait, ... oops... never mind...

#2 By 89137 (216.145.133.6) at 8/5/2009 6:09:29 PM
Leave it to Ed Bott to come running to MS defense - you can't say anything ill of MS - he's worse than a fierce Mac fanboy...

#3 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 8/5/2009 6:22:15 PM
well, randall's article is pretty silly... executing a repair /r and trying to work as it is executed?

If you're running a repair in the first place, you've got bigger hardware (disc) issues than worrying about whether you have enough RAM to post to twitter while it's running.

Run all /r operations from the recovery console and walk away until it is done. If it's attached USB storage, you're kidding yourself and should never use that as a serious form of either data storage or backup - it isn't nearly reliable enough and finally, if your're so dependent upon your system and its data, you're going to have drives onto which you've made image based backups to begin with - it isn't expensive and as I said, if you're truly reliant upon the data, you're not going to leave it exposed or rely upon such volatile storage in the first place.

Ed's right to point out the practical considerations and randall is at best, reaching.

#4 By 15406 (99.240.76.72) at 8/5/2009 6:27:10 PM
While it is an issue, it's not a show-stopper and can easily be fixed before GA and issued as a critical patch. I'm not sure about the logic of gobbling up tons of RAM to do a scan & fix, though. It's not like you need to retain Gigs of disk sectors in memory. Why is it so hungry?

#5 By 12071 (203.185.215.144) at 8/5/2009 6:31:46 PM
#2 Ha! Ed Bott has nothing on a number of people here!

I would hardly call this a critical bug... but calling it a feature is the opposite side of that extreme coin. It's the typical MS shill that we're used to hearing here - defending anything and everything religiously. If anything it's a poor design decision - not "the repair should finish as quickly as possible" design decision, the one where there's no visual (or otherwise) feedback back to the user to let them know that's what's happening. Most (except the for the MS faithful here of course) would freak out after running the command and seeing it take up all of their RAM - this is not normal behaviour and it's not behaviour they have ever seen before. However with a bit of visual feedback all the drama could be avoided without changing any underlying functions.

#6 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 8/5/2009 6:46:39 PM
#4, it was a design decision - get the process over and done as quickly as possible so, a) one could get back to work, OR... b) they could be made aware that they needed a new drive RIGHT NOW - as in copy this stuff over now to a new drive, or lose it.

Best to read up on the Windows RE blog and available tools. You can download a Windows Recovery Environment Disc and when/if you need to do a CHKDSK with either /P or /R do from from the Windows RE (which you boot from). If you discover hardware errors on the disc, image it if you can, or at least BU all files and the user profile and RMA the drive - all but a few are covered for 5 years. Use the start up repair util and import your files and settings using the USMT 3.x utils. You can be done in under a half hour and backup like nothing happened. When you get your RMA drive back, image your system to it. Please read/ref this site,
http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/ it applies to Win Visat and 7.

#7 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 8/5/2009 6:47:59 PM
Chris, you're right and the RE provides clear visual information for the user/tech.

#8 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 8/5/2009 7:06:12 PM
oh.. before I forget, once a week, when you're going to be away from your Vista/Windows 7 PC for a bit, throw a command from a console running in admin approval mode for:

DEFRAG C: -v -w

This will provide verbose output as Chris suggests it helpful (I agree) and also take care to defrag blocks larger than 64 MB - though the verbos logging will not be able to report those.

-w is not under ? (help) but really helpful for people like myself who do a lot of HD video editing. Similarly, you can toss an /M switch to in parallel, defrag all volumes and save some time.

I mention this as a way to help avoid issues that may result in having to resort to the RE and its many tools as it is smart enough to move good data to good blocks - making largely a non-issue out of it. I batch all this stuff up and save them as scheduled tasks and call it something like "Yo" It is really easy to set up jobs like this - check out scheduling tasks in Vista Windows 7, http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/appcompat/aa906020.aspx

and in PowerShell, check out what this guys has been doing - http://jdhitsolutions.com/scripts
Great stuff. explore some and run some experiments and basically go nuts and have some fun - above all, take FULL CONTROL of your machine.

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