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Why the Windows Firewall comes up short | |
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| Time: 09:17 EST/14:17 GMT | News Source: CNET | Posted By: Kenneth van Surksum | ||
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Dennis O'Reilly: My previous post on free alternatives to Windows' built-in utilities confused the Windows Firewall with Windows Defender, which protects against viruses. (My thanks to the folks who pointed out the error.)
The fact is, I stopped paying attention to both programs a long time ago. First, I decided security is too important to leave up to Microsoft. Second, I can do without the hassle of managing separate applications for various security tasks. To me, the time I recover repays the cost of a security suite many times over.
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| #1 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 2/14/2009 10:45:56 AM |
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This article is utter crap... Windows Vista firewall is very powerful and filters in and out-bound connections by default. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb877967.aspx
Default settings depend upon the persona used at any one time - public, for example, stealths the entire machine and tightly restricts what requests may be made - in and or out. Private uses a different set of policies and allows for network discovery and access to shares, provided these are turned on. For all users: as soon as Morro ships, ditch what you are using for anti-virus and run it; it will be free. Morro, with the Windows Vista/Windows 7 firewall and Windows Defender, will be all you will need IF you create one admin approval mode account and run as a standard user on other accounts. It's easy, works and the combined layers of security will keep you safer. Ignore idiotic articles like this one. |
| #2 By 143 (96.28.64.17) at 2/14/2009 11:04:36 AM |
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“Morro” will be available in the second half of 2009
Looking forward to that. |
| #3 By 12071 (124.168.173.210) at 2/15/2009 1:44:23 AM |
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#1 "This article is utter crap... Windows Vista firewall is very powerful and filters in and out-bound connections by default. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb877967.aspx"
Did you even read the link you pasted before announcing this article as 'utter crap'? It quite clearly states that the default behavior is to "Allow all outgoing traffic unless it matches a configured rule". Heck, if you missed that there was even a screenshot below that shows that the default behavior is to "Allow". So the utter crap appears to be coming from your corner. |
| #4 By 23275 (24.196.4.141) at 2/15/2009 10:24:17 AM |
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#3, Hey, it can be misleading, but the default setting does in fact filter all out-bound traffic - which is exactly why the article and your comment are indeed, "utter crap."
The author hasn't taken the time to examine the Windows firewall at all and admit it, neither have you. Windows Service Hardening features work WITH the firewall and irrespective of user defined out-bound rules, the windows firewall inspects (at the packet level) all traffic (in or out-bound). The rules monitoring feature the ass that wrote this article and you continually refer to is the rules monitor, which displays those rules an end user may have set - it does not reflect the service hardening rules already in place and on by default - precisely to keep people from turning them off and exposing the platform. You bash and bash - the platform and people - to score your points, but in reality, you come off like a shrill little boy. If you're interested in helping people, then help them, otherwise, keep your yap closed before a man closes it for you. |
| #5 By 28801 (71.58.225.185) at 2/15/2009 12:19:28 PM |
| Lloyd, you smacked down the Kubuki doll with facts - no need to stoop to his childish level. Leave that to the rest of us. |
| #6 By 12071 (203.210.68.145) at 2/15/2009 10:32:34 PM |
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#4 Misleading? Are you kidding? Is this how you try and side step the fact that you stated that by default the Windows Vista Firewall filters out-bound connections and provided a link which rather than confirming your fact, states the exact opposite? Is it that difficult to admit you're wrong? Or is it just not possible for you to ever be wrong as you'll always find a way to re-phrase and re-interpret things? Why would you even post a link that contradicts your statement? Did you do a quick Live search and pasted the first relevant one in without actually reading the content (and assuming no-one else would read the content either)?
Now you come out and state that it inspects all traffic - which is different to filtering. You can inspect everything but filtering only comes into play once you take action based on the inspected data. "Windows Service Hardening features work WITH the firewall and irrespective of user defined out-bound rules" Yes they do - and that does apply to Windows Services... but it doesn't change the default behavior of the firewall if you have application X running. "The rules monitoring feature the ass that wrote this article" Yes everyone but you is an ass. The link that you provided to backup your statement isn't about monitoring, it quite clearly, with the aid of a screenshot in fact, shows the default profile for outbound connections. Here, I'll post the important bit from your link: "The default behavior of the new Windows Firewall is to: * Block all incoming traffic unless it is solicited or it matches a configured rule. * Allow all outgoing traffic unless it matches a configured rule." As for the rest of your comments/threats - keep them to yourself. |
| #7 By 15406 (99.240.65.32) at 2/16/2009 8:51:05 AM |
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Game, set & match.
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| #8 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 2/17/2009 8:21:22 AM |
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Wow, the crickets are awfully loud this time of year...
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| #9 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 2/17/2009 8:22:16 AM |
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This post was edited by Latch on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 at 08:23. |
| #10 By 15406 (216.191.227.68) at 2/18/2009 8:16:44 AM |
| Almost deafening, some would say. |
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