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Windows .NET Server Delays Complicate Longhorn Schedule | |
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| Time: 11:07 EST/16:07 GMT | News Source: Ent Mag | Posted By: Adrian Latinak | ||
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Jim Allchin, Microsoft group vice president for the platforms group, confirmed at the Windows Hardware Engineering Conference (WinHEC) in Seattle this week that the "Longhorn" release will come later than originally planned. Longhorn first emerged as an interim operating system release between Whistler, which later became Windows XP and the Windows .NET Server family, and Blackcomb, a major rev of the operating system that is supposed to revolutionize the user interface and fully embrace XML Web services. | ||
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| #1 By 20 (24.243.51.87) at 4/19/2002 12:11:15 PM |
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Get it right. Delay forever, just get it right.
You did a great job on Windows XP and you held it late quite a bit too. Just do the job right and screw all the deadlines. |
| #2 By 665 (64.126.91.172) at 4/19/2002 12:58:49 PM |
| anon- were you using Windows 2000? XP is great, but it's really a major upgrade for Win 9x systems, not really anything major for people who have already been on the NT core. |
| #3 By 665 (64.126.91.172) at 4/19/2002 1:17:44 PM |
| nah, not 5. I'm betting three years. Longhorn will have a lot of that, but it will be Blackcomb will be full-fledged. Longhorn should be out late 2004 with many of the things you are looking for. |
| #4 By 2 (12.226.195.102) at 4/19/2002 6:53:12 PM |
| I would think XP has more for consumers than for businesses though. What does anyone else think? |
| #5 By 61 (65.32.169.133) at 4/19/2002 8:17:50 PM |
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#12, most of the changes in XP are under-the-hood. Just because you don't them doesn't mean they aren't there.
And no, Win2000 was/is not a viable option for the AVERAGE consumer. |
| #6 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 4/19/2002 8:23:18 PM |
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Why are people discounting 2000 as a consumer option? Because they weren't supposed to understand that Me(lennium) was a piece of crap? Come on, I know people who avoided ME and purchased 2000, and I know people who are avoiding XP today and buying 2000.
Just because you want to claim that XP is a big advance doesn't mean you can ignore 2000. |
| #7 By 3339 (65.198.47.10) at 4/19/2002 8:45:22 PM |
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Good! --that you can't edit--get a freakin id, takes 5 secs.
See that, I made a mistake and edited it. Amazing! This post was edited by sodajerk on Friday, April 19, 2002 at 20:45. |
| #8 By 5444 (208.180.245.59) at 4/19/2002 8:49:32 PM |
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#12
Well from a consumer stand point, XP adds tons of Usability features, that are not in 2k, Basically, Xp is 2k with ME built into it, would be the best description, although there are several other features. But in light of that XP is a Minor Upgrade to 2k, while 80% of the consumer market is still in the 9x format. So that is a major upgrade. XP also brings the Support of Hundreds if not thousands of Consumer products that a office version of 2k didn't bring along(it was catching up in the later updates though) XP also aligns the consumer path and the higher end paths on the same code base. Which will allow for some of those changes that you really want to see. Win 9x simply can't support some of those changes. So XP is the second of those changes that bring the full aspect of a project named Cairo. 2k introduced some of them XP added a couple more. win.net includes a few more, and Longhorn introduces several more. Blackcomb is to be a new beast all together, it is to take the best of what was and simplify the APIs. Basically it has always been rumored that Blackcomb will be the 6.0 release of windows nt. So yes, from a 2k standpoint the view to update is little (besides better consumer products support, but those made for xp carry over to 2k) someone else mentioned the 2005 date on 2k, MS has always had a 5 year cycle on OSes, although since 2k took over 5 years to be released. And only had a few items of the Cairo project in it, com+ being one of them. With the advent of XML, more of the promised features will be implemented. The common data store will be one of the biggest features in longhorn. Also the lessening of the importance of the registry. the .net framework improvements into the OS levels. While I don't imagine we will see the full customization features of desktop x, those feautures were promised in cairo, and taligent and open desk it would be nice to finally see them in the OS. El |
| #9 By 5444 (208.180.245.59) at 4/20/2002 4:54:55 AM |
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#21,
maybe by the time that longhorn comes out, that may be an option. Although It won't be locked to one company cpu. AND unless companies start offering DVD as the only option starting now. I doubt it will only be on DVD. El |
| #10 By 61 (65.32.169.133) at 4/20/2002 8:28:44 AM |
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No, consumers do NOT get a watered down business OS, they get a consumer OS.
Just because you know people who used Win2000 over WinME or even XP does not mean it's a consumer OS. It is NOT a consumer OS. Have you ever noticed how XP Home has watered down file permissions, no support for domains or SMP, etc... why do you think that is? One, because the average consumer does not need it, and two, it would be to hard for the average consumer to configure it, plain and simple. Is it really that hard to understand? Second, WindowsMe was not bad. It may have not worked for you, or for some people, but it in general worked fine for most. Heck, I beta tested it, it was a darn good product compared to previous Win9x versions. |
| #11 By 5444 (208.180.245.59) at 4/20/2002 9:07:33 AM |
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CPUGuy,
WinME was a good OS only if you loaded it from scratch. Meaning that it wasn't a Good upgrade OS. And ME was either it worked for you or it didn't. I was one of those that spent about a year trying to make it work. But win 9x had the same issues, and that is what I was trying to fix. I regret not upgradeing ot win 2k at the time, after getting XP and playing with it. But in General, in comparison of win 9x to the nt line, there is no comparison:) The combineing of the oses. (although I do disagree with MS taking out the SMP capabilities) to a common platform will be a godsend for the windows platform. One it focuses development on one platform at the PC level. (with embedded it even focuses it fom pocket PC to datacenter) with the .net framework it even takes it further but that is another topic. 2 it finally kills off the old dos platform, (don't know if you remember or not, but win 95 was suppose to be the last platform based on the dos platform) Cairo was suppose to be out in 98:) With a common platform and the move away from DOS. there the boot image can be expanded. which will bring the next advancement which will be the common file system. or sql fs or what ever name you want to call it. (OFS in 1992, although it will be completely changed from that) system+. for developers, as soon as they can decide to stop supporting win 9x, probably still 3 to 4 years off. they can develop for one platform. (.net aids greatly in this btw, as it strips away a layer of issues between the nt base and the dos base. Which hopfully will allow developers to develop with unicode in all apps. (well actually they are fuced to since in the framework the char is automatically encoded in unicode) So for developers there is an obvious reason to move to the .net platform. They no longer have to use checks for unicode and other API differences between win9x and win nt. Which will clean up the code and simplify the code. develop one app for the framework, not discreet aps with special handleing for the two platforms. El |
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