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Time: 06:37 EST/11:37 GMT | News Source: *Linked Within Post* | Posted By: Robert Stein

In April we announced that we were working to bring presentations to Google Docs. (Astute readers may recall learning about this even earlier, which caused a bit of excitement around here.) And today we're unveiling the new Google Docs presentations feature and invite you to try it at documents.google.com. Maybe more than any other type of document, presentations are created to be shared. But assembling slide decks by emailing them around is as frustrating as it is time-consuming. The new presentations feature of Google Docs helps you to easily organize, share, present, and collaborate on presentations, using only a web browser. Starting today, presentations -- whether imported from existing files or created using the new slide editor -- are listed alongside documents and spreadsheets in the Google Docs document list. They can be edited, shared, and published using the familiar Google Docs interface, with several collaborators working on a slide deck simultaneously, in real time. When it's time to present, participants can simply click a link to follow along as the presenter takes the audience through the slideshow. Participants are connected through Google Talk and can chat about the presentation as they're watching. Not wanting anyone to feel left out, we've made the presentation feature available in 25 languages; Google Apps customers can also access it as part of Google Docs.

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#1 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/18/2007 10:09:27 AM
with several collaborators working on a slide deck simultaneously, in real time.

Sounds very similar to the features with the combination of SharePoint and PowerPoint. But nah, Microsoft never innovates....

#2 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 9/18/2007 10:40:20 AM
Where as sharepoint is a web app, and powerpoint is a pc app, requiring both products. Google Presentation is free, and is an all in one app, online.

Disadvantage is that it is online only (at least until Firefox 3.0 includes the ability to work offline with Google Docs).

#3 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 9/18/2007 11:13:21 AM
#2, WSS is free, too - and a lot more powerful, I might add. Also, and this is a huge no-brainer... Live Meeting is built to support PPT - it's online, of course and then there is Tahiti [Shared View] which is online and also free.

See, there are options... many of them... and according to what people need at what scale, etc... not just "our way" as it is with Google.

#4 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 9/18/2007 11:22:32 AM
Google launches presentations, but shouldn’t have
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Google/?p=740

Along with its new name (Google Docs & Spreadsheets is now just Google Docs), users are now free to upload Powerpoint presentations or start a new presentation by starting from scratch. That said, I am wondering why Google released such an incomplete product? It’s basically useless for business users who want to make professional looking presentations. This is so far away from a Powerpoint killer that it’s embarrassing I thought it might have had a chance.

#5 By 37047 (216.191.227.68) at 9/18/2007 11:37:11 AM
I believe this is what is referred to as an initial beta, or late alpha, as is normal at the Googleplex. They like to get things out there and being used even before they are necessarily even feature complete. I wouldn't be surprised if this was kept in beta for another year or two before being finally blessed as a formal 1.0 release.

After all, Gmail is still a beta product, despite the large number of people using it.

#6 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/18/2007 12:11:34 PM
#2: I guess it may be worthwhile to debate the question of "Is 'free' a feature?", but my point was mainly about how everyone will look at the "new" collaborative abilities as innovative when offered by Google, and continue to view Microsoft as "unable to innovate" when they had this feature--not in alpha/beta--for some time now.

I still have a lot of reservations about the browser as the be-all, end-all app platform. To me, it's a layer of abstraction that doesn't need to exist, and only hobbles app development by reducing it to the lowest common denominator of the browser's capabilities and what it can support. Add to that yet another layer of updates (the browser *and* the OS updates) that can potentially break an app (not to mention the app updates themselves). Add to that a very hazy interoperability and custom development picture. Add to that the inability to choose when *you* want to update to a new version of the online app. Maybe these obstacles can be overcome given enough time, but isn't the question obvious to anyone else--"WHY???" If the main driver is portability, there are plenty of other--and I'd argue *better*--ways to get this done than to dumb things down and force everything through the bottleneck of the browser.

#7 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 9/18/2007 12:25:56 PM
#3 Lloyd, WSS is free, Powerpoint is not. Secondly, you are talking multiple applications still.

#4 I love reading others "opinions", such as that blog you linked. Too bad these fly by night opinion blogs don't do any research. Google Presentations (as well as Google Docs and Spreadsheets) probably have 1% of the Microsoft Office features. When did Google state that Google Docs was the Office KILLER?

#6 I hear where you are coming from on the browser debate. Standard applications experience the same problem with new versions of Windows being released, patches and updates, and more.

Browsers like FF were designed with open standards support, and so are the Google apps, which make it easier to keep them compatible, standard, and open.

For me, if we had the bandwidth worldwide, I would rather just operate off of a dummy pc box, no HDD, 16mb of ram, a mouse, keyboard and monitor, and have all of the online servers support the applications and all the grunt work. I would just access everything through a browser, or application window.

#8 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/18/2007 3:09:14 PM
#7: the difference in patching, however, is that browser-based apps have at least three layers of patching, whereas standard apps have two:

Browser-based:
Application
Browser
OS

Standard:
Application
OS

Patches, updates, and testing (including regression testing and interoperability testing) is already painful enough. Throwing yet another variable into the mix just compounds the issue. Add to that the fact that FF doesn't have an enterprise-grade update mechanism, and it's getting really messy.

Regarding standards... there are good candidates for standards, and there are places where standards mean lowest common denominator. Applying web standards to enterprise apps doesn't make sense to me. Rather than getting the app you want and need, you get the app that fits within the bounds of the standard.

Sun must love you. :P Even when businesses controlled their own networks, dumb terminals were replaced with PCs. It makes sense for some apps, but what about when you need special hardware (i.e., anything beyond a standard mouse, standard keyboard, standard monitor, and standar" printer)? What if you want to do something outside of what they allow you to do on the host?

#9 By 37 (66.191.120.168) at 9/18/2007 4:00:04 PM
# 8 Standard apps, such as Windows OS and Microsoft Office require the latest browser and security patches to obtain updates/patches via Microsoft/Windows Update.

Browser based lets me run on any OS. I can run Google Apps on Linux, Mac, Windows, and Mobile OS. I can also run it in multiple browsers, such as Firefox and Internet Explorer (Safari support is coming). Microsoft Office requires me to run Windows and Internet Explorer. I cannot install Office on any other OS (besides in a VM experience), I have to use Internet Explorer to get the latest patches for Office (in a normal Office Update environment). I have to use Internet Explorer to access the office online templates that you can download.

I like the idea of an office anywhere, anytime environment that Google apps is starting provide. I am willing to pay a subscription fee for such a service. If MS offered a similar service, at a competitive price, and offered better features and integration, as well as Google uptime, I would consider the MS offering.

#10 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/18/2007 4:36:54 PM
#9: but the apps themselves aren't relying on the browser to run; i.e., a browser patch is much less likely to cause your business-critical app to break. For example, the upgrade from IE6 to IE7 caused problems for a lot of websites, but it didn't break MS Office. Also, the browser isn't a necessity for patching--for instance, it isn't needed in Vista, and SMS uses a utility to download patches automatically (sans browser) as well.

I'm not against the "office anywhere" idea... I just think there are better ways to do it than building it on top of the browser.

#11 By 37 (66.191.120.168) at 9/18/2007 4:47:04 PM
There maybe better ways than the browser. I don't know what they are, but if you do, I will help back your funding so we can become billionaires.

Office/Windows doesn't REQUIRE internet explorer for patches. However, by default, the update routine uses internet explorer. The average PC user will not know how to access download sites for patches, and request CD-rom patch updates. They also do a WGA via internet explorer.

If every browser was standard compliant, and an online app was developed around the online standards, then we wouldn't have to worry about whether or not a browser would make the app incompatible.

Fact remains, with MS Office, you are tied to one OS, and one browser. In addition, at this time, it's not a seamless collaboration tool. It needs to be at this age. We need to eliminate the entire WebEx online collaborating too. Remote desktop collaborating is so 2002. Live application collaboration is where it's at.

#12 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 9/18/2007 5:28:28 PM
#11, You can already do that with office - that is what the Groove buy was all about.
One may run their own server, to use the Groove server. It's been around a good long while, too and one does not have to forfeit features.

#13 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/18/2007 5:34:42 PM
I think apps delivered over the internet, running on a portable application framework (a la .NET or Java), plugged into app services in the cloud would be a better way to go. You still end up with an additional layer of complexity and patching (unless the framework is considered part of the OS), but you get rid of the highly restrictive nature of the browser as an application platform.

Vista doesn't require the browser to do patching for Windows or Office, FWIW. Anyways, the point is that the apps aren't bound to the browser in order to function. An update to the browser doesn't mean you have to evaluate thoroughly how that affects every app that you run on top of it, since they depend on it.

Browser standards aren't really the issue here. Some browser updates and plug-ins cause problems with online apps. Off the top of my head, a pop-up blocker is a good example, but I think security updates also have great potential to cause issues. Lawsuits (e.g., Eolas) are another example. Those have nothing to do with standards. Even then, standards don't guarantee identical operation.

I've used Firefox with Office, and Office does run on a Mac. I realize that's not your point about the cross-platform nature of browser-based apps, but cross-platform benefits aren't the exclusive territory of the browser. I agree that collaboration could be much better (and you can see this in things like when PowerPoint is used with SharePoint), but I don't think that necessitates forcing the apps onto the browser simply to gain that benefit. It's the right problem, but the wrong solution.

#14 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/18/2007 5:38:14 PM
lketchum... do you have a ghost writer or something? Your posts are so... um, brief... lately!

#15 By 7754 (206.169.247.2) at 9/18/2007 6:45:32 PM
Did anyone else see the Interactive Media Manager demo?

http://www.clarkezone.net/default.aspx?id=ce35944a-7faf-464f-9438-8eeb1dee1301

Pretty crazy stuff they're doing there, all in the browser. Or should I say, in a plug-in to the browser. Is this (or this type of architecture) the "app of the future?" Maybe this is like what I was suggesting in #13--an application framework (Silverlight) running on top of--or in conjunction with--the browser.

#16 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 9/18/2007 8:35:02 PM
#14, :) Been very busy - I've been busy building the new Awin on top of that. So there is just enough time to dash in here, check the site, post a test and then back at it.

I could go on about this one subject a great deal - like suggest that, as I have said since I started to post here [it is ironic, too - in that the reasons were about how the web/browser would evolve, etc...], that the browser is dead. As such, there is no way Google's strategy is going to work. The browser may launch experiences, but browser based anything is just toast - the environment won't be able to compete with MS, its next offerings, or RIA's -

Take some silverlight 1.1/WPF - add all that .NET is and it is over for web apps and the browser.

As I said once here a couple of days ago - Awin regulars will see what I mean and very soon.

Oh, and search is dead, too... makes no sense - what one finds needs to be serviced in some way. So mashing in and mashing out is how it will evolve.

#17 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 9/18/2007 10:45:09 PM
It may be called from the browser, but unlike vesion 1.0 of SL, SL 1.1 will have full access to .NET. Now, with that architecture, everything changes - so IE/FF call and ClickOnce delivers the user/client interface. The Internet is there for transport only and much else is done server[farm]side, with the UX supported by the client PC/OS and the small SW client running in SL on top of .NET

So whatever you can do with a dekstop app, you may do with SL+.NET and in a way that is perhaps richer than any desktop app.

The future is not about the browser at all - it is in Rich Internet Applications [RIA's].

#18 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 9/19/2007 6:01:24 AM
"Vista doesn't require the browser to do patching for Windows or Office, FWIW. Anyways, the point is that the apps aren't bound to the browser in order to function. An update to the browser doesn't mean you have to evaluate thoroughly how that affects every app that you run on top of it, since they depend on it."

Last time I ran Vista, it required me to access the internet using a browser (IE only) to obtain Windows and Office udpates OTHER than critical updates/patches. They may have changed that in the past couple months, and included ALL Windows and Office updates in the auto update feature, but I have read no such thing.

This post was edited by AWBrian on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 at 06:02.

#19 By 23275 (24.179.4.158) at 9/19/2007 8:38:45 AM
#18, WU in Vista is an application - not/not a browser extension.

Any/all updates, be they, Critical, Important, Optional, or Drivers, are delivered via that application.

The browser is not required and never even opens.

#20 By 37 (76.210.78.134) at 9/19/2007 11:14:15 AM
Well, then, that is new. Good to hear.

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