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What's what in Dell's Linux deals | |
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| Time: 17:25 EST/22:25 GMT | News Source: *Linked Within Post* | Posted By: Andre Da Costa | ||
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The Linux world rejoiced when Dell announced that it was going to pre-install Ubuntu Linux on some of its consumer desktops. But then the Linux world was befuddled when Dell announced that it would be buying certificates for Novell SUSE Linux from Microsoft. Some Linux users have reacted with rage to what they see as a change in Dell's direction. One Dell customer responded to Dell's announcement of the deal with the following: "By making a deal with Novell, you've destroyed the market that you opened by offering Ubuntu. Many will now view your company as collaborating with MS to shaft Linux with looming and vague threats about IP [intellectual property] even though MS probably copies more ideas and innovations developed on Linux than the other way around." | ||
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| #1 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 5/11/2007 5:48:00 PM |
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MS probably copies more ideas and innovations developed on Linux than the other way around
Har har har har... And again, we see what it is really about--sticking it to big bad Microsoft, not the promotion of Linux. Linux is just the hate vehicle. Or, better, flinging the Linux rock in the Microsoft battle is how some folks get their worth in life. For some, it's Apple/the Mac. Back in the day, for some, it was the Amiga vs. the Mac. Things never change. Honestly, they're just computers, people... why not put all that energy into something useful? |
| #2 By 37047 (74.101.157.125) at 5/11/2007 6:17:34 PM |
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I can just imagine the conversation that took place at Red Rock:
Michael Dell: We are going to sell Ubuntu to the Linux preferring masses Bill Gates: No you aren't. We don't make any money that way, and if we don't make money off of every system you sell, we will have to stop giving you that nice discount for Windows licenses. MD: Well, we don't want that. What can we do to make you happy, oh master of our destiny. BG: Tell the unclean Linux masses that you will sell them Suse Linux, which will come properly licensed from Novell and Microsoft, and that way, we can get paid for the Linux systems as well. MD: You are wise, Lord Bill of Redmond. As you command, it shall be done. BG: And next time you have a dumb idea to sell something not made by Microsoft, be sure to clear it with us before you announce it to the world. We won't be so kind to you next time. MD: I am so sorry, Lord Bill, and it shall never happen again. You have my word on that. |
| #3 By 78785 (12.216.189.97) at 5/11/2007 6:49:51 PM |
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I think some people are trying to use this FUD as a tool to supplement what Dell is doing. have you all forgotten that Dell servers use Novell Suse for the OS???? They have to have the certificates for those. This has nothing to do with Dell being told what it can and can't do by MS!!!!
Everyone needs to get off their high horses when it comes to being zealots for MS or Linux. This is why Linux gets a bad name!! It's because of all the FUD that Linux zealots and MS zealots push in regards to the choice of operating system. It's all about choice, nothing else. Neither MS Windows nor Linux are religions, they are operating systems. They run the computers. One is as good as the other, the only difference is one is paid for and proprietary while the other one is free and open. |
| #4 By 28801 (68.81.50.122) at 5/11/2007 7:33:40 PM |
| Exactly what has the Linux community ever innovated? |
| #5 By 32132 (66.183.202.89) at 5/11/2007 8:15:44 PM |
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#2 More like:
Michael Dell: Help ... these Linux fanatics are nutso!!!! Bill Gates: So what else is new? Michael Dell: How come when we sold Red Hat for 6 years all the "journalists" never mentioned it? Bill Gates: Welcome to the club ... byt the way, did you know that what they really want is for you to announce you won't be selling Windows anymore? MD: Are you INSANE??? I'm a billionaire several times over because of Windows!!! Red Hat sales never even paid for my car! BG: We aren't really worrying ... HP will gladly take over your Windows sales. MD: Aaahhhhh!!! Nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| #6 By 7754 (75.72.156.204) at 5/12/2007 12:53:25 AM |
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one is free and open
Free--they're giving away Novell Suse? Open--so which of your code submissions were reviewed for inclusion in the kernel? |
| #7 By 32132 (66.183.202.89) at 5/12/2007 3:45:30 PM |
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http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;810329453;fp;4;fpid;1968336438
Read it all ... but I like the ending. "A cynic might suggest that the people writing open source software are the ones who are making their daytime living working for a proprietary-solutions vendor and spend their nights tearing down the very house they live in. And that if open source replaced proprietary solutions, these people would not be able to make a daytime living that supports their night time hobby. A cynic would be right." |
| #8 By 32132 (66.183.202.89) at 5/13/2007 4:27:20 PM |
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Hmmm ... 235 Microsoft patents infringed by Linux.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/ I like this line: "In free-software circles, though, the Microsoft-Novell entente was met with apoplectic rage." Understatement of the century. :) Stupid statement of the decade: "When it comes to software patents, though, Moglen thinks that's exactly the goal to be achieved. "The free world says that software is the embodiment of knowledge about technology, which needs to be free in the same way that mathematics is free," he says. "Everybody is allowed to know as much of it as he wants, regardless of whether he can pay for it, and everybody can contribute and everybody can share." " In fact, Math is patentable as long as it meets certain criteria. Look up RSA and patents. |
| #9 By 3653 (68.52.143.149) at 5/13/2007 8:39:58 PM |
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A very thorough and descriptive article NotParker. Nice find. I emailed Bob and asked him to post it on AW proper. This post was edited by mooresa56 on Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 20:40. |
| #10 By 12071 (203.185.215.144) at 5/13/2007 10:55:51 PM |
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"In fact, Math is patentable as long as it meets certain criteria. Look up RSA and patents."
Isn't that the loophole though... the algorithm itself is not patentable... but a system that makes use of said algorithm is. So no, mathematics is NOT patentable, it's free, loopholes have been found to try and work around that though which once again says more about the current patent system! So it wasn't a stupid statement, it was one that is factually correct and at the same time describes what's wrong with the patent system as many see it. |
| #11 By 32132 (66.183.202.89) at 5/13/2007 11:21:49 PM |
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Search engine alogorithms are patentable.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7,158,961.PN.&OS=PN/7,158,961&RS=PN/7,158,961 |
| #12 By 32132 (66.183.202.89) at 5/13/2007 11:26:28 PM |
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I do not, in any way, endorse the idea that software and algorithims should not be patentable while business "processes" are patentable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_method_patent Examples of granted European business method patents http://www.iusmentis.com/patents/businessmethods/epoexamples/ This post was edited by NotParker on Sunday, May 13, 2007 at 23:29. |
| #13 By 12071 (203.217.60.182) at 5/14/2007 7:58:50 AM |
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#11 As I mentioned in #10, the mathematical algorithm is not and cannot be patented (and it shouldn't be - imagine not being able to learn trigonometry because of a patent owned by a corporation that thinks it can keep on extending the life of their patent ala Disney. See that's the problem I see with people today, they only look forward, not back in time when working out if certain things make sense - patenting mathematics and algorithms (which is what software is) does not make sense!). The implementation of said algorithm unfortunately can be under current patent law, hence the loophole that has lead to thousands upon thousands of worthless patents. The example you linked to is a patent for a computer-implemented method not the algorithm although it does it's absolute best to try to minimise other implementations with clauses such as:
7. The computer-implemented method of claim 1, wherein x is equal to 1. 8. The computer-implemented method of claim 1, wherein n is equal to 64. #12 I'm of the opinion that they should not be patentable, for a lot of different reasons, some of which are covered in the cnn article you liked to. And from the looks of the business processes that you linked to, they shouldn't either as they start sounding like a lot of the current software patents that are around, e.g. - Stateless shopping cart for the web - Method and system for performing money transactions - A method of holding an auction and uses of the method |
| #14 By 32132 (142.32.208.234) at 5/14/2007 3:30:50 PM |
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Mathematical algorithms can be patented as long as they have a technical component.
And why not, considering what else can be patented. |
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