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ActiveWin.com: Microsoft Windows Vista Pre-RC 1 (Release Candidate) - Preview | |
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| Time: 00:00 EST/05:00 GMT | News Source: ActiveWin.com | Posted By: Robert Stein | ||
Andre has just posted his 21-page Microsoft Windows Vista Pre-RC 1 preview (Builds 5472 and 5536). In the preview, he discusses load times, installation times, an array of features (IE 7, multimedia, advanced, etc.) and much more. Included are over 20 screenshots. Below is an excerpt: For me, installing the operating system has been a varied experience depending on the hardware; I tried different machines, all which successfully installed a combination of x86 and x64 platforms. The BETA 2 build released in May installed in approximately 35 to 40 minutes on both 32 and 64 bit hardware. Microsoft has since released updated builds (5456, 5472) otherwise known as interim releases. I recently installed 5472 (x86); the install time on my desktop and laptop were 59 minutes and 54 minutes respectively. A significant drop in performance there compared to build (5384 – BETA 2). Although we should take into consideration 5472 x64 is an interim release and does not reflect the same quality, as a milestone build such as BETA 2 or RC1 will be. Hopefully I will see changes to this area as development progresses, but fluctuation in performance has been a number one problem since BETA 1. | ||
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| #1 By 2332 (66.253.67.30) at 8/31/2006 10:50:51 AM |
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I think there is something wrong with your timing or your machines.
I installed Vista 5536 on a Athlon 1.2 Ghz machine with 512MB of ram and from the time I began the install to the time I was sitting at the desktop (*after* the performance tool was run) was almost exactly 35 minutes. Why your install times were more than double on *much* faster machines is something you should look in to. |
| #2 By 52115 (66.181.69.250) at 8/31/2006 2:38:48 PM |
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I installed it on a Acer TravelMate 800 (Centrino 1.3 with 1GB), but my first impressions weren't that great. Seemed like they're trying to only give you so much as far as "control" over the OS and tried to make it look more pretty than anything. Reminded me of the difference of KDE and Gnome when comparing Vista to XP; XP being like KDE and Vista being like Gnome.
Also ran into some features during the setup where I click on the "load drivers" during the hard drive setup and I couldn't find a way to back out back to the setup screen. Hard Reboot. Had this happen a couple times; went in somewhere and couldn't back out. I found some of the menus somewhat confusing. Maybe if I played around with it a little more, I'd get use to it. In order to turn on and off some of the "normal" features I like, I had to go to the help and click a link to change things. How about a go here, click here, select this instead of a direct link. The hard drive CONSTANTLY goes for what seemed like hours; this is within NOTHING running. The bar on the side with the Widgets, with the default three things running takes 12-15% of my CPU. My Windows experience was at 1. Says I don't have a Video Card which supports DirectX 9. The Mobile ATI Radeon 9000 under XP runs DirectX 9 games fine. Even downloaded and installed the latest Vista drivers; no change. And the "extra" security; "this program is trying to access windows". Yea, this needs to be changed. People are going to get sick and tired of this popping up all the time and just going to click ok without looking at what it's doing; I was doing this at the end (whats this?, OK). And the first user being the "administrator". Kids are going to have complete control of their families PC's (which some already do now). Here Billy, here's our new computer. I don't know how to set this up, why don't you do it. GGGRRRREEEEAAAAATTTTT... I think MS should do the *nix thing, have a root account and you create a password during install. Then you create the user accounts. If something is trying to access or your installing something, without the root password, no go. But that also has it's faults. Little Billy is the only that knows the password or Billy's father forgets the password, they're SOL. So as it stands, back to dual-boot XP and SuSe 10.1. XP for games, etc and Suse 10.1 for other work and there's a program called SuperKaramba if I want Widgets; PLUS it sure as heck won't take 12-15% of my processor during idle times. |
| #3 By 32132 (64.180.219.241) at 9/2/2006 11:13:44 AM |
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So far so good. I did a backup of my Vista and Xp partitions (about 40GB) in about 5 minutes (image based) that seems to have taken hardly any resources at all.
Ntbackup took 20+ minutes to do the XP partition under XP. Of course I have a 2 year old Athlon 3200+ at home with 1.25GB and an FX-5200 instead of the older Acer (which is running the Mobility Radeon with only 64MB of video ram). I think this will smoke on my X2 4800+ at work. Looking forward to it ... but since RC1 is out I'll hold off at work a few more days. Unless I run into a show stopper, I'm dumping XP from now on. This post was edited by NotParker on Saturday, September 02, 2006 at 11:14. |
| #4 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 9/2/2006 1:48:46 PM |
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#3, I'd test it a good bit before using it as your primary OS - even in RC1, Vista has some thorns. I've run many builds as Vista has been developed and ran BETA2 for a long time. While RC1 and Pre-RC1 are a lot further along, there is going to be a great deal about the new OS that advanced users are going to dislike a great deal.
Some are small things, and others are consistently frustrating. One can definatley tell that this OS was developed very differently - it is like different teams interpreted specifications differently. For me it is hard to say, but it is like a girl that is just all over you all the time... you like her... she's good looking.... but she bugs the daylights out of you from some reason you can't explain. That's about as best as I can put it. I sense that in RTM and later builds, it is going to take some time for us to find all of the right settings to get this OS to do what we want. For now, it still feels "Smarmy" - just all over me and in this case, a lot less would be a lot more. As I said, it is hard to say exactly what I mean... may be I am just too much of a minimalist when it comes to an OS. I want an environment that let's me run my programs - my way. Also, many subtle settings do not stick - one may set them and then go back and check them and they have been unchecked by the OS - things as simple as smoothing screen fonts... Others simply shock.... Windows Live One Care does not work at all. ISA 2004 w/SP2 and SP1 to the ISA Firewall Client does not run at all [not ISA, but the client]. The newest HP client printing tools do not run at all. For those supporting end users, be prepared for a very bumpy ride as it is going to be much much much harder to support users. I say this as so many advanced settings are no longer in one place - display settings and properties are located in three separate locations and even then one cannot adjust all properties - even basic ones that one had more centralized access to in XP. Test System: 3.2 GHz P4 2 GB DDRII SATA II HDD ATI 256 GDDRIII Builds 5536 and 5600 [one upgraded over XP Pro SP2 and one clean install]. |
| #5 By 32313 (72.27.65.247) at 9/2/2006 4:27:07 PM |
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Hi everyone,
I post it as it is, those are the install times I got on 5536, but I have good news, 5600 installed in 42 mins, which proves its really a combination of software and hardware and not the hardware that much. I will be updating the preview this week to reflect the changes. Thanks for the comments and feedback. |
| #6 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 9/2/2006 8:53:57 PM |
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Update ref upgrade install: expect delays.... it takes a very long time...... fresh install was about 50 minutes. I nodded for hours waiting on the upgrade install test.
I really do dislike this OS - they blew it and badly. I am sending dead flowers to the design lady featured on channel 9. She ruined Windows. "I do prdict that this will be the biggest flop in the history of software to date." "I will not support this operating system and would rather close my business then stuff this on my customers - I swear by God!" Now I know why Mr Gates is retiring... he does not want to see his company destroyed by this train wreck of an OS version. Any idiot who cannot secure a Windows 2K/XP machine, and or Domain has no clue or right to run a clock radio much less a PC, or network. The planet did not and does not need Vista, or any other OS to try and do it for them - nor do people need an OS that is so in one's face. I just want to know who the heck caved to the Channel 9 lady and her staff? Who? Who got caught doing what? WINUX nails a lot of points... Vista pre and RC1 suck resources like a drunken sailor! It's a pig - constantly thrashes the HDD - swaps memory like a flea market in the valley. I pray MS simply dumps this pig and releases a mega-patch for XP. Somebody take a tennis racket to the Channel 9 lady's desktop!!! I'd pay good money for the video. Time to fully retire. I am going to launch a "Why I personally think Vista Sucks Ass Website" - just to help the many IT/MIS guys/gals out here who are going to need therapy - where in the heck did Windows go? will be a doorway page! "Microsoft, if I had wanted an in your face, undiscoverable POS of an OS, I'd have bought a MAC!" The little dork on TV in the newest Apple commericals - my version would have a hardworking dev, or network guy just look at him and then slap the snott out of him and walk away. Start "ORB" - what dope-smoking asshat came up with that? Doesn't matter - virtualization just above the abstraction layer and Google will smoke their asses by 2010 in any case. I feel so bad for Mr. Gates - he deserved better than this mess - we used to own stuff - our PC's - boxed software. We had some say - now..... good God.... you've tanked it all. Enslaved my PC and network in a death-goo. Gawd, I am becoming a diabetic after only a few hours with RC1.... too sweet - too much! |
| #7 By 3 (62.253.128.15) at 9/3/2006 5:21:34 AM |
| Personally can't wait to use it as my main OS, thought I won't do that til it goes RTM. RC1 is a massive improvement over everything that came before it. Well done MS. |
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