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| Time: 13:28 EST/18:28 GMT | News Source: PC Magazine | Posted By: Todd Richardson | ||
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The weirdest thing I've seen lately has been the craziness provoked by a feud between tech writer Maureen O'Gara of LinuxGram/Linux Business News and her apparently bitter rival, blogger Pamela Jones (PJ) of Groklaw. It began some time back when the two exchanged barbs over intimations that Jones was somehow a stooge for IBM in the SCO-Linux battle and that O'Gara was somehow a stooge for SCO. You can see where this is headed. | ||
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| #1 By 7797 (63.76.44.6) at 5/20/2005 1:50:37 PM |
| Great way to show off you have NO idea what you are talking about in regards to the situation. Either that or your bias stops you from even considering to think about what really happened here. |
| #2 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 5/20/2005 2:50:48 PM |
| The article title should read "Maureen O'Gara Implodes". |
| #3 By 15406 (216.191.227.90) at 5/20/2005 5:02:03 PM |
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#4,5: I'm amazed that you continue to lump everyone into one basket. Yes, FOSS has some idiots. From reading ActiveWIn, it's apparent that the MS side has its share as well. To generalize that all people who use Linux are nuts is just ignorant.
Part of the equation you're missing is that FOSS fans must be vocal to answer the non-stop FUD from Redmond and their stable of 'experts' and supposedly objective press pets. FOSS has no official mouthpiece or press office, so it's up to the rank & file to spread the message. That's the problem a lot of people have with MS. It's not Windows per se. MS did a great job of bringing computing to the masses with Windows, making it easy for most. Unfortunately, the converse of ease of use is lack of security, and this is biting them on the ass big-time. A lot of people detest MS because of it's corporate culture and the way they continually try to hijack computing/maintain the monopoly while telling the general uninformed public how wonderful MS is. They would have less image problems if they learned some humility and were less swaggering & arrogant. I just finished reading "In Search of Stupidity" (not the full title), which was a book that detailed the biggest bonehead moves in IT in the last 25 years. MS was never a subject of being stupid. MS and Gates certainly aren't stupid. However, the book did detail a lot of MS evil that they inflicted on the stupider companies. It also, to be fair, highlighted some brilliant MS moves that weren't evil at all and still crushed their competition. I would never complain about that MS. But the one thatlies, cheats & steals pisses me off, especially when they always claim innocence. Remember Leave It To Beaver character Eddie Haskell, who was always stirring up shit but put on a sweet-angel face when Beaver's parents were around? That's MS in a nutshell with the mainstream press. Eddie Haskell deserved a smack, and so does MS. |
| #4 By 3746 (24.213.83.184) at 5/20/2005 5:40:30 PM |
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6#
actually if you read what he said above I believe he didn't say that all people who use an Open source product are nutjobs but that a certain vocal minority are. Look at the fanboy debates going on about the Xbox 360 and PS3. Or Apple vs Microsoft. I mean the zealots come out whenever there is a David vs Goliath type thing - they want to feel a part of something bigger then themselves - you see that in religious cults and you see it with Linux or MS crazys fo that matter. Or in other cases sports teams. I mean in the end what they are yelling about is just a thing - a tool to be used. I work in IT - own my own company in fact and if i based my business decisions on some idiotic attachment to a product i would have been out of business a long time ago. I use what is best for the situation. Sometimes that is an MS product - other times it is a Linux or OSS product. But i definitely don't do it because i am kneeling at the altar of Linus. I mean some people need to take a step back into reality. This post was edited by kaikara on Friday, May 20, 2005 at 17:41. |
| #5 By 135 (24.163.245.167) at 5/20/2005 7:33:54 PM |
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#5 - I own a BMW... And frankly I gotta tell ya. Lexus sucks.
Actually it is kind of funny, and he's right. The worst elements of Team OS/2 and the Amiga zealots now use Linux. |
| #6 By 16797 (65.48.183.157) at 5/20/2005 9:19:33 PM |
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#6: From reading ActiveWIn, it's apparent that the MS side has its share as well.
Yeah, but not from reading LinuxJournal or Slashdot. That, exactly, is the difference. |
| #7 By 23275 (68.17.42.38) at 5/20/2005 11:45:18 PM |
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There is too much good work that has been done by too many good people and good businesses for stuff like this to represent the norm, or even a trend. Truly ill people can't sustain the effort it takes to produce the products and make the progress that has been made by those working with the Linuces. Anyone who worked with initial releases of RH AS and has now worked with the latest releases in cooperation with Dell, could not argue that such good work was the result of such a mess.
I am by no means an advocate of OSS - but to paint commercial products from Red Hat and others with the same brush and suggest that any Linuces is subject to the same determined outcome is simply inaccurate. A very wide separation needs to be drawn between OSS and most Linuces. Linux they may be, but OSS they certainly are not. It's a really big world and there are lots of systems to be built and unlimited software to run on them - some will be from the Linuces, and some from Microsoft and a few from Apple. I think people need to take a breath and not allow themselves to be defined by this article - much less the extremists it speaks to. Don't be at all surprised when very specific commercial distros see software from other commercial houses - including Microsoft. We have a very long way to go and "it will get better and also be a lot more fun and interesting" |
| #8 By 12071 (203.173.54.171) at 5/21/2005 2:37:07 AM |
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#3 With stuff like this, I'm suprised that the title wasn't that!
"So over the past week O'Gara tracked down and photographed PJ's home and PJ's mother's home and posted pics in her column, with veiled accusations that the entire Groklaw site is a front for IBM in its battle with SCO." |
| #9 By 32132 (206.116.136.250) at 5/21/2005 11:19:29 AM |
| PJ does work for IBM. Which explains a lot. |
| #10 By 32132 (206.116.136.250) at 5/21/2005 6:43:27 PM |
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"IBM gave some computer equipment to Ibiblio once upon a time. And Ibiblio hosts Groklaw for free. "
I would guess that understates how important IBM is to Ibiblio: "ibiblio is a nonprofit internet collaborative supported through the generous and enthusiastic contributions of the following partners" http://ibiblio.org/partners/index.html The amount in question was $250,000 from IBM. "some computer equipment" "once upon a time" deliberately minimizes a substantial sum of money. Since PJ won't divulge who she really works for, and since she is dishonest about how much IBM money was involved, I lean towards suspicion. |
| #11 By 32132 (206.116.136.250) at 5/22/2005 1:01:33 AM |
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Answer me 4 questions honestly.
1) Is "IBM gave some computer equipment to Ibiblio once upon a time." an honest admission that IBM gave Ibiblio a $250,000 grant? 2) Considering the massive amount traffic claimed by Groklaw, how much is the free hosting worth? 3) Who does PJ work for? 4) Who has she worked for in the past? |
| #12 By 13030 (198.22.121.120) at 5/23/2005 10:13:34 AM |
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#5: By the way, I don't "hate" Linux. I drive a Lexus but I don't "hate" BMW.
#11: I own a BMW... And frankly I gotta tell ya. Lexus sucks. Agreed, Lexus sucks--that's why I bought my wife an X5. I always knew soda had some redeeming qualities... |
| #13 By 32132 (206.116.136.250) at 5/23/2005 12:05:32 PM |
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1) I find that she deliberately minimized the $250,000, therefore it makes me suspicious 2) You did not answer how much it would cost Groklaw to pay a commercial hosting company. I would guess upwards of 1000$ a month. This is not trivial. And it would therefore make her very careful of badmouthing IBM - which is one of the Ibiblio's partners. 3)So, it could be IBM or an IBM subsidiary. 4)So, she could have worked for IBM or a subsidiary in the past. On the balance, I find her actions suspicious. She is covering something up. Guilty. |
| #14 By 32132 (206.116.136.250) at 5/24/2005 1:37:55 AM |
| #24, #25 and #25 You should concede gracefully on this one. It makes you look less foolish. |
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