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#1 By
9589 (66.26.231.95)
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12/20/2004 11:40:25 AM
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I am sure that IDC would like all of us to go to their web site and buy the complete report of their wild a** claims, but they will have to come up with more details than they are providing in this teaser. Meanwhile, the supposedly largest and only profitable "purveyor" of *nix is Red Hat and their total sales for 2004 amounts to a paltry $158 million dollars with a laughable market cap of $2.2B and a soaring debt of $600 million dollars.
Oh! and lest we forget, the largest player of the group that IDC references in their report and that writes Tovalds' paycheck, IBM, dropped out of making PCs.
In separate news, the open sore crowd figures that somehow the IBM debacle is GOOD for them! Go figure . . .
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#2 By
11131 (64.132.138.66)
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12/20/2004 11:50:17 AM
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#2 How does that hurt the linux vendor? If the linux copy was paid for in the price of the computer, then the linux vendor (Linspire, etc...) has already made their money on it and could care less if a pirated copy was put on in it place. They still got their $$$ :) and they don't have to worry about paying to support it if it was removed and replaced with windows :)
Alister
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#3 By
7797 (63.76.44.6)
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12/20/2004 2:01:55 PM
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"And, according to Gartner, on up to 80% of those computers, Linux will be replaced by a pirated copy of Windows."
A complete lie. Far from FUD. This is an intential distortion of what the Gartner report says. Get a life Parkker.
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#4 By
7797 (63.76.44.6)
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12/20/2004 5:36:56 PM
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"Gartner was talking about Windows client, not Server tgnb. And its the truth, people just go buy one of those cheap wall mart pc's and just get a pirated volume license copy of XP Pro and load on that system."
Why are you MS sheep out to spread FUD and distort things.
I know Gartner was talking about the Windows Client. But IDC is referring to "overall revenue for servers, desktops, and packaged software". And thats only one of the reasons why Parkkers statement was an intentional distortion and a flat out lie.
The Gartner report did NOT say that a pirated version of Windows will be installed "on "up to 80% of those computers" referring to the IDC study.
Not only that but the 80% figure was referring to Asia even though Parkker would like you to believe that figure is an overall number, which is why he left that part out. Like I said. Intentional distortions of the facts in order to spread lies and FUD about Linux.
Parkker i know you dont care for people to respect you. If you did you would manage to bring up the TRUE weaknesses of Linux without having to resort to this kind of tactics.
I respect people who dont have to distort and sling mud and spread FUD when critizising someone's oppsing point of view.
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#5 By
9589 (66.26.231.95)
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12/20/2004 9:28:02 PM
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Parkker, there is no way that *nix is generating $15B anywhere unless there is an alternate universe or another third planet from our sun. IDC's "report" is BS.
Not that not one of the open sore bigots on this site are even arguing the point. They are content to make it a point of departure to say whatever that comes to mind that might be unkind to Microsoft and to bolster their one world *nix cause.
It is hilarious to read their posts. When one argument that they pose doesn't pan out; off they go to another with little regard whether it makes sense or not.
It fun to pass by and read this stuff once in a while, but frankly it gets boring fast. My hats off to your tireless debating skills.
Just so I don't leave your open sore bigots out - your homework: List the top ten *nix software vendors of any stripe and the revenue and earnings of each. Let's see if anyone can come up with $1B in revenue; let alone $15B. No, dufus, hardware revenue/profit don't count.
"Play it in your . . ." lol
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#6 By
7797 (68.142.9.161)
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12/21/2004 12:37:55 AM
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"In emerging markets"
Thats the key part of the statement you didnt include and didnt highlight. You mentioned 80 percent as if it was an overall number. You know full and well that this is misleading! My point stands firm! Your intentioally mislead and lie.
This post was edited by tgnb on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 00:39.
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#7 By
16797 (65.48.183.157)
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12/21/2004 5:49:59 AM
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Why are you guys attacking Parkker? He didn't write that article. He only linked (quoted) it.
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#8 By
9589 (66.26.231.95)
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12/21/2004 8:23:14 AM
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Hal, stop the blah blah blah thud and do your homework! lol
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#9 By
7797 (63.76.44.6)
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12/21/2004 12:00:36 PM
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Parkker, I herebey apologize for not reading well enough yesterday. You did say "up to 80%" which is true in the context of the Gartner report.
However the context of the Gartner report is not the same as the IDC study and therefore your statement is still intentionally incorrect and misleading.
This post was edited by tgnb on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 at 12:05.
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#10 By
7797 (63.76.44.6)
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12/21/2004 1:55:06 PM
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I think your thinking is wrong. Google's Zeitgeist is not an accurate way to measure Linux deployments especially Linux server deployments or how much money is epxected to be made on packaged Linux software.
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