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TCO Study: Linux beats up on Windows | |
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| Time: 11:19 EST/16:19 GMT | News Source: The Age | Posted By: Brian Kvalheim | ||
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An updated Linux vs Windows TCO study has found that a 250-seat company can end up saving 36 percent if it were to equip its users with the open source operating system and applications that run on it. The study, by Melbourne-based open source firm Cybersource, found that even use of a commercial Linux distribution such as Red Hat Enterprise Linux, would result in 27 percent lower costs. The study was first issued in April 2002. "We have now updated this report to accommodate the changes in both platforms. We have also extended the model to increase its relevance and accuracy," said Con Zymaris, chief executive officer of Cybersource. | ||
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| #1 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/13/2004 11:33:19 AM |
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"The study, by Melbourne-based open source firm Cybersource"
At least they are OPEN about their SOURCE..lol No bias there! :P |
| #2 By 26839 (24.250.158.65) at 12/13/2004 12:01:46 PM |
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Funny how there are a lot of opensource companies now.
There didn't used to be. There must some reason for this. |
| #3 By 26839 (24.250.158.65) at 12/13/2004 12:26:29 PM |
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The scary thing is how people respond when microsoft commissions a study. Imagine the uproar if they did the study themselves.
Just think how it could benefit all of the other suppliers of Windows. ... oh, wait,.... there aren't any other suppliers of Windows. |
| #4 By 26839 (24.250.158.65) at 12/13/2004 12:48:50 PM |
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They should have used IIS 6 which has a significantly better security and uptime track record than Apache.
They should have used Linux Akamai caching servers like Microsoft does! Currently the microsoft.com domain has over 1000 linux boxes. Here, you can count them yourself. http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=.microsoft.com&position=limited&lookup=Wait.. This post was edited by cyber_rigger on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 01:15. |
| #5 By 8556 (12.217.173.227) at 12/13/2004 3:49:59 PM |
| I just commisioned a study to learn if one can save any money consuming an open source beverage compared to consuming Coca-Cola. The results are in. All variables were taken into consideration. One can save between 50-100% by drinking open source tap water compared to drinking Coca-Cola. |
| #6 By 12071 (203.185.215.149) at 12/13/2004 10:31:33 PM |
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#1 "At least they are OPEN about their SOURCE..lol"
Yes they are, Microsoft could do the same for their "Get The FUD" campaign. #2 "Funny how there are a lot of opensource companies now" According to Parkker, they are all evil cults trying to crush American capitalism by offering open source software in the free market. |
| #7 By 26839 (24.250.158.65) at 12/13/2004 11:50:56 PM |
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I will say that all of Microsofts content is on Windows Servers
I say you are wrong and look at this (linux machine) http://www.microsoft.com.edgesuite.net/ Look here is Microsoft content on Linux http://a1.g.akamaitech.net/6/6/6/6/www.microsoft.com/ This post was edited by cyber_rigger on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 00:00. |
| #8 By 26839 (24.250.158.65) at 12/14/2004 1:06:54 AM |
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#14 #11
Use a googlebot user agent and the page loads fine (no registration). Here is the mozilla/firefox useragent switcher extension http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/useragentswitcher Here is a googlebot user agent to use (copy the whole next line) Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.googlebot.com/bot.html) This post was edited by cyber_rigger on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 01:12. |
| #9 By 1658 (24.18.60.13) at 12/14/2004 3:34:42 AM |
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cyber_rigger -
Do you really want to be humiliated? Do you really know what you're talking about? Do you really know who the audience on this site might be? Are you really prepared to argue with individuals who work in direct contact with the technology infrastructure about which you claim to know all? Please answer all that before I post again so I can really have a ball and tear to shreds the pile of pustering spooge you just spewed into the forum. Your posts are honestly dumber than Halcyon's and you have now become my new focus of hilarity. |
| #10 By 1658 (24.18.60.13) at 12/14/2004 3:41:28 AM |
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"#12 Linux = New Hotness, Windows = Old & Busted"
Yeah, it's hot alright. That's why it took a panel of 14 SAIR and CompTIA certified Linux experts two and a half days to solve a software VLSM subnet map problem that recently occurred at Columbia Bank Northwest in Seattle. The same exact issue occurred 6 months ago at a Microsoft facility that I used to work at. We had it solved within minutes thanks to Application Center Server and IIS. The IDENTICAL issue down to the very same detail. Same map problem, same resolution failures. The only difference were the number of machines involved and obviously the OS platform. And our network makes Columbia Bank's look like a small LAN party... and we still had it within minutes. But oh yeah, our technology is old and busted. I suppose we're busted because we have security issues that Linux has none of, and we're old because we don't have tabbed browsing. What other brainless and pointless comments can you come up with? What else makes us old? Because I realize, you can do so much more with your Linux machine than I can with my Windows machine. Well okay, I concede, I can't recompile my kernel every 20 minutes if need be. This post was edited by aamendala on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 03:44. |
| #11 By 7797 (68.142.9.161) at 12/14/2004 8:04:33 AM |
| csmac3144 be careful what you say around here. If you dont consider Linux to be a communist fad that is already on its way out, then Parkker, AWBrian and aamendala might think your part of the OSS zealots. Even if you don't say anything bad about Microsoft at all. If you give Linux and Open Source the slightest amount of credit, you've lost all credibility here. |
| #12 By 16451 (65.19.17.115) at 12/14/2004 9:09:56 AM |
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#20 "The same exact issue occurred 6 months ago at a Microsoft facility that I used to work at. We had it solved within minutes thanks to Application Center Server and IIS."
It sounds like this would be very interesting and informative reading. Perhaps you could post all the details here for us? |
| #13 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/14/2004 10:13:55 AM |
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"#1 "At least they are OPEN about their SOURCE..lol"
Yes they are, Microsoft could do the same for their "Get The FUD" campaign." ROFL....yeah, that's it. |
| #14 By 1658 (24.18.60.13) at 12/14/2004 12:51:33 PM |
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"Linux to be a communist fad that is already on its way out, then Parkker, AWBrian and aamendala might think your part of the OSS zealots."
I personally never said anything of the like. Never did I say Linux was a communist fad already on its way out, in fact, I've said quite the opposite: that's it has caught our attention, that we have the largest Linux labs in the world, that we do take it seriously, and that we do have issues with its licensing and 'vision'. The fact that I actually expect people to DEFEND their comments must be flawed logic. Like when someone posts two completely invalid links to what is supposedly Microsoft content running on Linux without even researching what the links are, and then proceeds to post a link that supposedly shows thousands of Linux servers in the Microsoft domain without realizing that not only was his search query entirely baseless, it also proved nothing for tens of different reasons, I do jump on that, yes. Heaven forbid that I actually want people to provide backup for their claims and show that they're knowledgable on the facts. So don't bother putting words into my mouth, I never said what you claim I say and I don't react in the manner you portray either. I admit to and have no problem jumping on baseless, groundless, factless statements that individuals on this board paint in the light of irrefutable fact when in reality, no foundational logic and research had been applied whatsoever. |
| #15 By 1658 (24.18.60.13) at 12/14/2004 12:57:16 PM |
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"It was a joke, no need for starting a flame war."
Oh please. Every single comment you make whether you consider it a joke or not is basted with anti-Microsoft zealotry with no backup in fact whatsoever. The only thing you can ever come up with is that the Get The Facts campaign is all FUD, you have tabbed browsing and we don't, and that you can never be convinced to use a product that doesn't meet your needs. It's not a flame war, I expect you to defend your statements, simple as that. If it was a joke then, can I assume that you think Windows is quite new in technology and in fine quality form? Quite the opposite of 'old and busted'? If so, I retract all statements and apologize. If not, it was not a joke and truly was your belief and once again, boom, you've fallen ill to your inabililty to EVER provide backup for your claims. This post was edited by aamendala on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 12:57. |
| #16 By 1658 (24.18.60.13) at 12/14/2004 1:05:31 PM |
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"It sounds like this would be very interesting and informative reading. Perhaps you could post all the details here for us?"
Due to the NDA that I have with Columbia I cannot post anything regarding what happened on their end other than the basic facts of what the issue was and the general steps taken to resolve it and what happened during that process. That should be enough for you to get the general idea of the scope of the issue and the problems they encountered. But I can't go into network architecture, software names, procedures, and what not. That would be a blatant breach of confidentiality. I can elaborate a little more on what occurred on the Microsoft side and what we did to solve the problem though because we are quite open with our web management issues and successes as is evidenced through our MS Backstage writings and the thousands of Technet articles we post. If you're interested in hearing the overview of both issues, let me know and I'll take the time to personally write you an E-mail about it. Either way, in the end, you'll laugh (they certainly did) at the time it took certified Linux *experts* to fix the problem. And mind you, I have no problem with those guys, they were DAMN GOOD and have my utmost respect for their tenacity, problem solving skills, and knowledge of the operating system. Working with them was a pleasure. This post was edited by aamendala on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 13:06. |
| #17 By 37 (67.37.29.142) at 12/14/2004 3:18:01 PM |
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"Linux to be a communist fad that is already on its way out, then Parkker, AWBrian and aamendala might think your part of the OSS zealots."
I personally never said such a thing, nor did I insinuate. Please stop spreading lies. |
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