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Adobe: Use PCs instead of Macs, Round II | |
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| Time: 14:56 EST/19:56 GMT | News Source: OS News | Posted By: Jonathan Tigner | ||
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In his new book "Illustrator CS for Dummies," Ted Alspach, Adobe's Group Product Manager for Illustration Products, advises new computer buyers to get a PC: "As of 2003, Windows systems have taken a decisive lead over Macs when it comes to performance. The difference is most apparent with graphics applications such as Photoshop and Illustrator, but you''ll notice it with other applications as well. If you?'re thinking of purchasing a new system, and speed and responsiveness is important (or at least more important than the feel of the OS, I suggest getting a zippy PC over a (comparably) sluggish Mac". This is not the first time Adobe (Apple's #1 third party software house) pushes its customers towards the PC. The previous time it ended with Apple's PR firing back at Adobe through the media. | ||
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| #1 By 2332 (216.41.45.78) at 11/6/2003 4:40:04 PM |
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Anybody else see the irony? Apple always uses Photoshop to "prove" that their newset Mac is, yet again, faster than the fastest PC.
Ah... nothing like a good "Reality Deflection Shield" to keep your mind made up. |
| #2 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 11/6/2003 4:51:23 PM |
| But PC's don't come in cute orange cases! |
| #3 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 11/6/2003 4:52:09 PM |
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I agree with him unless you are going for a faster G5 Mac in which case certainly Photoshop CS is faster (or at least seems it). But as usual for speed the PC is still in the lead and it won't take long for Dual 2ghz G5's to be over taken). This post was edited by Byron_Hinson[AW] on Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 16:53. |
| #4 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 11/6/2003 5:07:52 PM |
| Um, if the PC is still in the lead, that means the Dual 2ghz G5 isn't. If it isn't, how can it be overtaken? |
| #5 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 11/6/2003 5:24:08 PM |
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Bob, it's not in the lead. This is a vague and misleading statement made by one individual in a book that went to press in the beginning of the year. It's now November. Throughout this year, Adobe has repeatedly shown that PS is faster on the Mac even prior to the G5 launch.
Besides, this is a "For Dummies" Book. Who gives a sh1t. Any self-respecting Adobe employee who was writing a book aimed at Graphic Designers would have said: "If you're thinking of purchasing a new system, and speed and responsiveness is [the most] important factor (or at least more important than the feel of the OS, [working with other Mac using designers and print houses, maintaining the system, and supporting the system], I suggest getting a [cheap] PC over a [(relatively) affordable] Mac." If Adobe wants to support "Dummies" (and expect it to help their sales) and they want to piss off their Mac using base, let 'em be. |
| #6 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 11/6/2003 5:32:20 PM |
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| #7 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 11/6/2003 5:50:41 PM |
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uhh, Bob what did you say? "if the PC is still in the lead..." It's not.
And too bad you fail to realize that Mac users are 35-45% of Adobe's market. Not 1.46% (where you're getting this number from I don't know). This post was edited by sodajerk on Thursday, November 06, 2003 at 18:32. |
| #8 By 7754 (216.160.8.41) at 11/6/2003 6:48:10 PM |
| What's funny is that the Mac faithful STILL eat up any benchmark from Apple that says the Mac is faster at X, Y, and Z, but then you get some independent benchmarks that say otherwise (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,112749,pg,8,00.asp), and they say not true, Mac is faster. Hey, the G5 is fast and wins a few races, but it still loses in many, many benchmarks. At least the Mac is competitive again. |
| #9 By 1845 (12.209.152.69) at 11/6/2003 7:04:10 PM |
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Jerk, the G5 still isn't and never was the fastest system. I was referring specifically to Byron's post where he said, "as usual for speed the PC is still in the lead." Byron's post aside, though, there are none, Mac zealots notwithstanding, who'd claim a Mac beats a PC in perf.
Potential. 1.46% of computers are Macs. If Adobe targets the other 95% of users (Windows users), their potential is much greater than sticking with the Mac faithful. |
| #10 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 11/6/2003 7:37:55 PM |
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Bob, I never made any claim of any particular Mac being "Fastest." I KNOW that there is NO system which is objectively FASTER for any and all things.
I am specifically referring to Adobe's own claims that the Mac is the best system for Photoshop. I don't see how Adobe bailing on roughly 40% of their market improves their potential. Sounds to me like it reduces it by nearly 50%. |
| #11 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 11/7/2003 2:03:59 AM |
| I didn't say the Mac was faster than the PC - I said a "Faster" G5 - in other words the dual 2ghz G5 which outperforms pc's with Photoshop CS currently. I then said that won't last for long. |
| #12 By 2332 (65.221.182.2) at 11/7/2003 9:53:51 AM |
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#16 - Says who?
And don't bother to post a link to Apple's web site. I think we're all familiar with how reliable Apple's benchmarks are. |
| #13 By 3 (62.253.128.7) at 11/7/2003 10:03:32 AM |
| #17 - its in one of the uk design monthly mags here - i'll see if i can borrow a friends scanner and put it up - but i read it a couple of weeks ago and it is probably already out of date. It was just for photoshop, no other part of the CS package. I'm more than happy to admit if im wrong here, it's also well known that Adobe want to create their suite for just one OS, it's also clear to them that Apple are moving away from being just a computer company that deals in design software. |
| #14 By 2332 (216.41.45.78) at 11/7/2003 12:09:46 PM |
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#18 - It seems you may be correct:
http://www.geocities.com/sw_perf/ I found a couple of other non-Mac sites that show pretty much the same results. Photoshop runs faster on a dual G5, but the G5 is slower in every other respect. |
| #15 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 11/7/2003 3:08:29 PM |
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parker, Cinebench has what to do with Photoshop and other Adobe products?
The @Stake announcement was still just two weeks agao, right? Again, shall we count the number of flaws which have taken Microsoft longer than 2 weeks to patch? |
| #16 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 11/7/2003 4:09:20 PM |
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Hehe... Five reasons not to buy an iPod...
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6450_7-5102324-1.html |
| #17 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 11/7/2003 4:53:51 PM |
| You know things are going well for Apple when idiots are posting about the iPod and 10.2 flaws in response to an article about PC hardware performance for graphics applications. |
| #18 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 11/7/2003 5:40:12 PM |
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parker, you are an absolute moron. 10.3 isn't vulnerable, not because Apple was informed by @Stake, but because the updated OS software is not vulnerable dumbass--all Apple did was package in more up-to-date OS system components, fool. You prove time and time again that you will just make shit up.
Yes, the advisories have only been out for 2 weeks. Again, would you like to enumerate all of the flaws that Windows has had that haven't been patched in 2 weeks? Better yet, why don't you just name the ones that were patched in under 2 weeks. Much shorter list. Much, much, much shorter. "You know things are going badly for Apple when sodajerk tries to deflect attention from G5's benchmarks in an article about contrasting PC and Mac performance." I only did so in response to you dumbass. Everyone else has come to their senses and realizes that the G5 still leads in Photoshop performance. (See RMD's post) "And its going real bad for Apple fanatics when they won't admit that Apple is screwing every OS X user who hasn't upgraded to Panther on security issues." They aren't, dumbass. You jumped on MS's propagandists's bandwagon (@Stake), only to be disproved a couple of days later when Apple ANNOUNCED rather than GUESSED AT what they would do, but you continue to delude yourself and PRETEND otherwise. Time to join reality, Moron. The Matrix ain't real! This post was edited by sodajerk on Friday, November 07, 2003 at 18:03. |
| #19 By 3339 (64.160.58.135) at 11/7/2003 7:10:58 PM |
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Parker, I see no evidence to support your claim in this story... You said they didn't know about the flaws and fixed them based on what @Stake said. This article, which is primarily a bunch of twaddle, doesn't say anything like that. Holding off the advisories to when the boxes are out the door doesn't mean the code wasn't already developed, dumbass.
The PCWorld article uses their own pseudo-benchmark on two relatively small images. Why not use a comprehensive Photoshop benchmark when one exists? Oh wait, others have and most actually refer to PSBench scores rather then some unknown image and who knows what filters, dumbass. |
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