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Microsoft this week gave customers a look at forthcoming development and management tools that are part of the company's long-term plans for the product. In interviews with CNET News.com at the company's TechEd customer conference here, Microsoft executives sketched out the company's product release plans for next year. Products designed to work with the next major release of the Windows desktop operating system, code-named Longhorn, were high on the agenda. | ||
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| #1 By 442 (65.33.163.218) at 6/6/2003 7:34:33 AM |
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Exactly! Microsoft DOES NOT understand GUI design. Their apps and OS are ugly, cluttered, and in most cases very clumsy and a pain to use. Not that Apple is perfect...they're just a hell of a lot better at GUI design and implementation than MS is.
I work much more efficiently on my Mac than I ever could on a Windows machine. Windows gets in the way...the Mac lets you work. As much as MS would like to think that Windows is "more Mac-like than ever" it's not and never will be. MS doesn't have the class or culture to make something as good as Mac OS X. |
| #2 By 8589 (65.64.202.64) at 6/6/2003 9:49:25 AM |
| Trolling on a Windows Website are we? Note the name, ActiveWin, not ActiveMac. I wouldn't have a Mac unless it were given to me, and then only so I could find more reasons to call it a Mac-N-Trash. |
| #3 By 442 (65.33.163.218) at 6/6/2003 10:35:42 AM |
| I see...another uneducated Windows user. You'll come around soon enough. Your lack of knowledge shines through in your childish statement. How are those security holes, hacks, and endless strings of viruses working out for you? Having fun? In the meantime I'll actually use my Mac to get work done without wasting time on silly things like that. |
| #4 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/6/2003 10:45:00 AM |
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My god now sodalinux has combined forces with nomdlev to post as jaredbkt!
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| #5 By 442 (65.33.163.218) at 6/6/2003 12:07:47 PM |
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I don't care about games on my computer. I didn't when I had a PC years ago either. That's what my PS2 is for. However, if I wanted to play games on my Mac I have a plethora of titles to choose from. Take a look...
http://www.apple.com/games/ http://www.aspyr.com/ http://www.insidemacgames.com/ http://www.macgamefiles.com/ http://www.macplay.com/ http://www.macsoftgames.com/ There are more sites I can list. But like I said I don't play games on my computer. |
| #6 By 442 (65.33.163.218) at 6/6/2003 1:00:07 PM |
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"Windows XP looks fine to me, and I can get a lot more done on it than I can on a Mac. I think you just jumped on mOOzilla's comment as an excuse to start trolling."
It may look fine to you because, obviously, the only taste you have is in your mouth. Once you un-learn the backwards habbits Windows has forced you to adopt you'll realize how much more simple a Mac is to use. A quick example drag-and-drop of any type of info -- pictures, music, movies, text, etc. On the Mac it's system wide and in EVERY app. I can drag images from one app to another, drag movies right into Keynote or PowerPoint slide shows, drag pictures or text from an app to the desktop to save for later. Try that on Windows where one app hogs the screen and nothing else can be seen. Not very efficient for multi-tasking between apps. I'll say it again...once you actually USE a Mac and understand that things don't have to take ten mouse clicks, have features only available in hidden right-clicks, or be complicated you'll realize how much more creative and productive you can be. "Let me get this straight. You want Macs to dominate the universe, but you're not prepared to handle the massive security problems that would come to light as a result?" Having large marketshare and security are not related. The majority of web servers run Apache yet the majority of security flaws and hacks are done to MS IIS servers which have a much lower marketshare in that area. If you build a secure product it's secure regardless of the number of users. Apple does this right, MS does not. "Especially after the Trustworthy Computing initiative. You're naive if you think that Mac OS would be better than Windows if it were as widely-used." And you're extremely naive if you think the "Trustworthy Computing Initiative" actually means anything. It's been over a year and there are still major holes and flaws found everyday. Even Windows Server 2003 had a security patch released two months after is was out. Doesn't sound so secure to me. As far as graphics go for gaming. They're only as good as the developer makes them for whatever platform. Look at MetalGear Solid 2. The graphics are amazing on the PS2. The best I've seen so far. Why? Because they took the time to develop it properly. Goo graphics don't appear by magic...you have to make them. |
| #7 By 61 (24.92.223.112) at 6/6/2003 2:21:01 PM |
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jare:
A pretty UI does not translate to a functional UI. There aren't any problems with drag 'n' drop in Windows (except that you can't drag an item to an application that is on the taskbar, you actually have to wait for the application to pop-up), it works exactly as it does on the Mac. The Dock on OSX, while a good concept, is VERY poorly implemented, it gets cluttered, hard to distinguish between what is what, what's a running app, what's just a link, etc... it's not very useable. BeOS's deskbar is a MUCH more useable type of dock in that it doesn't take up the all the screen realestate like the Windows taskbar does (it grows based on how many apps are open), yet it takes the more task-based approach to doing things like the Windows taskbar does. Best of both worlds. BeOS's "Tracker" UI is the best UI to date. Simple, elegant, and fast. The Windows UI is FAR more efficent with it's task-based interface as opposed to the pure eye-candy that is Aqua, and no real useability. As for these features "hidden" by right clicks, how is this different than having to hold the apple key and clicking? I'll tell you, it's much more efficient to just have a right mouse button. The right click brings these things to you in 2 clicks (one for the menu, one to select) as opposed to a complicated set of keyboard shortcuts, or otherwise (which is also available in Windows, I might add). IIS6 has been completely redesigned and there has yet to be ANY security hole in it since it's introduction. The security patch that you are speaking of is for IE6 in general, which is what Win2k3 ships with... but you fail to point out that Win2k3 is NOT effected by the flaw in it's default configuration. "Security patch released just two months...." And OSX wasn't even finished when Apple released it, thus 10.1 came about. One patch in 2 months (again, the patch isn't even needed unless you disable the security features built-in to IE in Win2k3, and even then, you shouldn't be browsing the inet from a server) is GREAT. Redhat has had 30 patches in the same timeframe. Patch count is, btw, not a good estimate of how secure your system is. Finally, stop trolling, you come off as nothing more than a mindless drone who has absolutely NO CLUE about what you are talking about |
| #8 By 3465 (216.50.8.5) at 6/6/2003 3:35:34 PM |
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No #3....the last couple of weeks it has been ActiveLinux. Most of the stories have been anti-Microsoft. This post was edited by kirk26 on Friday, June 06, 2003 at 15:37. |
| #9 By 135 (209.180.28.6) at 6/6/2003 6:22:39 PM |
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jaredbkt - "Having large marketshare and security are not related. The majority of web servers run Apache yet the majority of security flaws and hacks are done to MS IIS servers which have a much lower marketshare in that area."
marketshare and secure are related. Apache does not run on the majority of web servers, IIS does. You are confusing site statistics with server stats, two entirely different numbers and not directly related. |
| #10 By 10022 (24.169.192.8) at 6/6/2003 7:42:00 PM |
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the OS X interface is absolute crap. I HAVE to use it every day. It take me 10 times longer to anything on it when compard to my OS 9 machine and 20 times longer than my Win2000 machine. And not just because it sets new standards in unresponsiveness but because its so confusesing.
there is a significant lack of feedback to the user- the translucent title bars blend really nicely with the white title bars. The overall lack of Apply buttons make you wonder when 99% of the control pannel options really take effect. The print center is 4 jobs behind the actual printing that is taking place. its sooooo SSSSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW! PIII 600, 256MB running XP is so much more repsonsive than our 750 MHz iLamp running 10.2.6 that i feal bad for all those people that bought one of those damn things. And if you ever need to transfer files across the network- do it on OS 9 so that you dont end up with a GB of crap at the end of the transfer- there are lots of know file transfer bugs for X. If i had something that urgently needed to be done in 10 min, and my Win2000 machine was off and my OS X machine was at the Finder, I would still use the 2000 machine because at least i no that it will be done in less than 10 min! and like i said I HAVE to use these things every day |
| #11 By 12071 (203.217.64.86) at 6/7/2003 1:53:49 AM |
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Yep... don't you dare any criticise Microsoft in any way, shape or form, because that obviously means that you're just trolling - as oppose to doing the exact opposite.
I've got no interest in arguing Mac vs Windows, I've always preferred Windows but then again I've always used Windows whilst I cannot say the same for Mac's - sure I've used them in the past but not to the same extent and not from the same age as Windows. What's interesting to note is people who have "grown up" using one have in most cases continued to use the same one later on in life. I will make a mention that the UI on Mac's is far more standardised than it is on Windows - whether you agree that this is bad or good is quite another story. As for gaming, why are we comparing the PS2 to a Radeon 9800 and DirectX? When the PS2 came out pc's did not have equal technology. When the XBox came out, pc did not have equal technology. Sure.. NOW.. pc's have better technology but that doesn't prove anything. Additionally, MGS2 is out on PC, http://www.konami.com/substance/ |
| #12 By 61 (24.92.223.112) at 6/7/2003 2:06:48 AM |
| Ninja, to be honest I'm anticipating Halo2 the most right now, followed closely by Doom3. |
| #13 By 12071 (203.217.65.195) at 6/8/2003 1:15:27 AM |
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#22 This is getting really boring, if you have some issues, sort them out already, I'm getting bored with your personal comments all the time. No I am not trolling, I'm simplying point out what happened here as soon as someone made a negative comment about Microsoft (roght or wrong). You are the one that jumps in and tried to attack everything I say.
"Because we're comparing gaming consoles and PCs?" But you are not doing a fair comparison. Compare a pc that the average joe had or even the top of the line model that was available when the PS2 came out, or when the XBOX came out. That makes it a fair comparison. In the past (and we're going back a few years now), the PC didn't have platformers or racing games that were of the same quality as those that could be found on consoles. What's the use in comparing a brand new graphics card to a console that has been released for several years now? The XBox uses an NV25 Nvidia chip (is that right?), at the time it came out only the NV20 (Geforce3) was available for PC's. The graphics chip was more powerful on the XBox than what you could buy for a PC at the time. The same thing may or may not happen with the PS3/Xbox2. Sure you could get a more powerful CPU in your pc, but many games rely far more on the graphics chip and it's capabilities than they do on the CPU. "It doesn't mean the quality of the games is better." Quality is a personal preference - just like the Mac vs Windows, Linux vs Windows etc debates, there are just as many quality of console games vs quality of pc games debates. Many people will argue that the overall gameplay of many console games is far better than pc games for instance - but this isn't something you can be right or wrong about. |
| #14 By 16045 (32.96.48.4) at 6/8/2003 4:36:37 AM |
| mac os 10.2 rules... windows xp pro rules... am i the only one that thinks both are great and love to use and study them both?? |
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